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As accurate as it may be, it's terrible from a PR standpoint. The grandmother next door will be less likely to adopt its use if she associates it with darkness/

As accurate as it may be, it's terrible from a PR standpoint. The grandmother next door will be less likely to adopt its use if she associates it with darkness/nefariousness. You may be OK with it and understand its true meaning, but this isn't about just you.

dmix 13y ago
They are creating a new protocol to be adopted and marketed by other email providers (including Lavabit). Those companies can take care of Grandma.
- adamnemecek 13y ago
  But why create the friction in the first place? News are mostly about soundbites, do you think that if grandma hears on the news that a defendant is part of the 'dark mail' initiative that she will be sympathetic towards him?
  - w1nk 13y ago
    Viewed slightly differently, given that news is mostly soundbites, which is going to be more memorable?
- sirclueless 13y ago
  If I were starting a company to provide service for this protocol, or if I were an email provider considering supporting this protocol, I would be much more happy if it were called something other than Dark Mail. If this really is just a protocol, and not a marketing name, then the main thing it needs to do is be inoffensive and distinguishable. Honestly, I would be much more comfortable starting a company around a protocol named something super-dumb like MURP or another non-descript acronym. There are probably names that are just as bad for other reasons, but one of the top goals of naming something like this should be avoiding getting targeted as something intended for illegal use.
- bigiain 13y ago
  This. Nobody's grandmother uses or avoids Gmail because of any connotations of "Simple Mail Transport Protocol", because they never hear about it. Only the most crazy religious people (or the least imaginative trolls) ever get upset by "mailer daemon" This, if successful, will be marketed as "Gmail's new secure mail feature" or "SparrowSecure Mail.app" or "$ISP's privacy-enhanced mail option", not as "dark mail, the replacement for your smtp imap and pop3 service".

dmix 13y ago

They are creating a new protocol to be adopted and marketed by other email providers (including Lavabit). Those companies can take care of Grandma.

adamnemecek 13y ago
But why create the friction in the first place? News are mostly about soundbites, do you think that if grandma hears on the news that a defendant is part of the 'dark mail' initiative that she will be sympathetic towards him?
- w1nk 13y ago
  Viewed slightly differently, given that news is mostly soundbites, which is going to be more memorable?
sirclueless 13y ago
If I were starting a company to provide service for this protocol, or if I were an email provider considering supporting this protocol, I would be much more happy if it were called something other than Dark Mail. If this really is just a protocol, and not a marketing name, then the main thing it needs to do is be inoffensive and distinguishable. Honestly, I would be much more comfortable starting a company around a protocol named something super-dumb like MURP or another non-descript acronym. There are probably names that are just as bad for other reasons, but one of the top goals of naming something like this should be avoiding getting targeted as something intended for illegal use.
bigiain 13y ago
This. Nobody's grandmother uses or avoids Gmail because of any connotations of "Simple Mail Transport Protocol", because they never hear about it. Only the most crazy religious people (or the least imaginative trolls) ever get upset by "mailer daemon" This, if successful, will be marketed as "Gmail's new secure mail feature" or "SparrowSecure Mail.app" or "$ISP's privacy-enhanced mail option", not as "dark mail, the replacement for your smtp imap and pop3 service".