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That's some breathtaking logic you have there. Perhaps you should consider a third scenario: that the vast majority of no-knock SWAT raids are a gross misapplic

by rl3 13y ago

That's some breathtaking logic you have there. Perhaps you should consider a third scenario: that the vast majority of no-knock SWAT raids are a gross misapplication of force. The use of paramilitary-style tactics in situations where such force is not warranted unnecessarily increases the risk to both officers and citizens.[1] I don't think tragic outcomes are acceptable when they're often the result of inadequately-trained small municipal police departments acting out their Call of Duty fantasies with the help of DHS grants.[2] 1. http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-iraq-marine-veteran/story?id=13640112 http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-i... 2. http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/ http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_m...

k3n 13y ago
Since when did the topic devolve into whether particular SWAT raids are appropriate? I'm not going to argue against that because I largely agree with you. You can put the pitchfork down now.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  How could a discussion about the causalities inflicted during no-knock swat raids possibly exclude the fact that so many of these raids are completely unjustified? That's like trying to discuss drunk driving without talking about alcoholism. Drunk driving is a manifestation of one of the many ways alcoholism hurts others. In this case, the cops are drunk on power,immunity, and fantasies of paramilitarism, not cheap boxed wine.
- rl3 13y ago
  To be fair, you did state that people on the receiving end of no-knock raids are either universally bad and have it coming, or clerical errors are to be blamed. I was merely responding to that particular dichotomy. Also, even when shooting a dog is justified from a tactical perspective during the course of a raid, it becomes an unnecessary tragedy when the decision to use that level of force (i.e. the no-knock raid) turns out to be bogus in the first place. It is certainly relevant to the topic at hand.

by rl3 13y ago

k3n 13y ago

Since when did the topic devolve into whether particular SWAT raids are appropriate? I'm not going to argue against that because I largely agree with you. You can put the pitchfork down now.

jlgreco 13y ago
How could a discussion about the causalities inflicted during no-knock swat raids possibly exclude the fact that so many of these raids are completely unjustified? That's like trying to discuss drunk driving without talking about alcoholism. Drunk driving is a manifestation of one of the many ways alcoholism hurts others. In this case, the cops are drunk on power,immunity, and fantasies of paramilitarism, not cheap boxed wine.
rl3 13y ago
To be fair, you did state that people on the receiving end of no-knock raids are either universally bad and have it coming, or clerical errors are to be blamed. I was merely responding to that particular dichotomy. Also, even when shooting a dog is justified from a tactical perspective during the course of a raid, it becomes an unnecessary tragedy when the decision to use that level of force (i.e. the no-knock raid) turns out to be bogus in the first place. It is certainly relevant to the topic at hand.