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Winning is winning, no matter how you do it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru#James_T._Kirk.27s_test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru#Jame

• sp332 13y ago
  At that point, you're not even playing the same game, so how can you claim you've won?
  • ISL 13y ago
    Because you become Captain of the Starship Enterprise? Or, because you've achieved the mission goals?
    • sp332 13y ago
      Kirk only got a commendation for that. He had to work for a long time after the Kobayashi Maru incident to get the Enterprise. You're begging the question. Achieving the same goals with different rules is a different game. Using stilts and a machine gun to get a ball in a hoop is not basketball.
      • ISL 13y ago
        Yes, it's not a valid solution to the game of basketball, but it is a valid solution to the "get a ball in a hoop" game. I don't think the Kobayashi Maru test rules said anything about "don't try to break the game". Success can result from relaxing an irrelevant requirement.
        • sp332 13y ago
          It's not irrelevant if it's the difference between winning and losing. Since you're already rewriting the scenario, why not just declare yourself the winner from the start? It would save a lot of effort.
          • ISL 13y ago
            Because the people aboard the Kobayashi Maru might live?
• jasonlotito 13y ago
  If a win is defined as conditions A + B + C, and you only complete A and C, can you win?