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Our company was founded on not working insane hours. From our jobs page (http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs): "We do not

Our company was founded on not working insane hours. From our jobs page (http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs http://www.polleverywhere.com/jobs): "We do not do death marches. We do not do lockdowns. We do not believe in 80 hour work weeks as a way of life." If anybody is stuck in this kind of unnecessary insanity looking for a way out shoot me an email!

voltagex_ 13y ago
Finding the right people for our team is far too important to outsource. We don't work with recruiters. Seriously, we have a recruiter vodoo doll; if you contact us we're going to stick a pin in it. Love it. I'm a C# dev on the other side of the world from you, but I'll be here if you ever need me.
marvin 13y ago
It is so fascinating to me that advertising a job as "not 80 hour work week" is a major selling point. I mean, kudos to you, you will probably attract a lot of skilled developers with this attitude. You will also get almost as much done as someone who does 80-hour weeks. Where I live, by law you're not allowed to work more than 40 hours a week. If a company violates this, you can literally go to court and get a summary judgement to get paid for every hour beyond this you worked, plus a 40% bonus for every hour beyond 40 each week. Most companies here don't do a lot of overtime, yet we're still at the very top of the list of productivity by country.
- nerfhammer 13y ago
  45+ hours per week is a typical part of any professional career in the US
  - _delirium 13y ago
    In terms of in-office hours, that's not really true; it's more of a programmer thing. It's pretty common for engineers in other fields work regular 40-hour weeks, unless something unusual is happening. Partly this is because the classic professional workplace has fixed hours: 9-5 or 8-4. Many people have no choice but to stick to those hours closely, because they commute in carpools, so you can't go in early or stay late unless you convince the whole carpool to do so. Admittedly, it is getting more common to do some email in the evenings nowadays, which sneaks in some extra non-office work hours.
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  Where are you? In the UK we technically have a similar thing but the employee can voluntarily opt out. Pretty much every job will request that you sign the opt-out form on day 1. Does the rule apply to an individual or just to the individuals employment at a particular company? For example can a person work 40 hours for company A and then 20 hours of company B, in which case can company B take on work contracts from company A using the same employee (who may or may not be the owner of company B)?
  - Tyrannosaurs 13y ago
    The UK negotiated an opt out to the 48 hour maximum enforced by the European Working Time directive, though as you say it's something the individual has to agree to (though that can be just by agreeing to a job that stipulates the opt out in the contract). I live in the UK and work in IT and have never had a contract that didn't automatically opt me out of it, however my wife is a doctor and they're all covered by it so work a maximum of 48 hours. Worth noting that it's averaged over time rather than a set maximum for an individual week. Also worth noting that individual countries can have stricter policies. I believe France has a lower maximum.
    - DanBC 13y ago
      > (though that can be just by agreeing to a job that stipulates the opt out in the contract) That would probably fall foul of the regulations.
      - Tyrannosaurs 13y ago
        The contract is fine but a worker can cancel the opt out if they wished (in writing, giving I think 7 days notice) and (in theory at least) they can't be discriminated against for doing so. Worth noting too that the average of 48 hours a week is calculated over 17 weeks so under even under a WTD compliant agreement you could have someone work a month of 60 hour weeks so long as you reverted to 40 hour weeks for a while after to bring the average back down.

voltagex_ 13y ago

Finding the right people for our team is far too important to outsource. We don't work with recruiters. Seriously, we have a recruiter vodoo doll; if you contact us we're going to stick a pin in it. Love it. I'm a C# dev on the other side of the world from you, but I'll be here if you ever need me.

marvin 13y ago

It is so fascinating to me that advertising a job as "not 80 hour work week" is a major selling point. I mean, kudos to you, you will probably attract a lot of skilled developers with this attitude. You will also get almost as much done as someone who does 80-hour weeks. Where I live, by law you're not allowed to work more than 40 hours a week. If a company violates this, you can literally go to court and get a summary judgement to get paid for every hour beyond this you worked, plus a 40% bonus for every hour beyond 40 each week. Most companies here don't do a lot of overtime, yet we're still at the very top of the list of productivity by country.

nerfhammer 13y ago
45+ hours per week is a typical part of any professional career in the US
- _delirium 13y ago
  In terms of in-office hours, that's not really true; it's more of a programmer thing. It's pretty common for engineers in other fields work regular 40-hour weeks, unless something unusual is happening. Partly this is because the classic professional workplace has fixed hours: 9-5 or 8-4. Many people have no choice but to stick to those hours closely, because they commute in carpools, so you can't go in early or stay late unless you convince the whole carpool to do so. Admittedly, it is getting more common to do some email in the evenings nowadays, which sneaks in some extra non-office work hours.
jiggy2011 13y ago
Where are you? In the UK we technically have a similar thing but the employee can voluntarily opt out. Pretty much every job will request that you sign the opt-out form on day 1. Does the rule apply to an individual or just to the individuals employment at a particular company? For example can a person work 40 hours for company A and then 20 hours of company B, in which case can company B take on work contracts from company A using the same employee (who may or may not be the owner of company B)?
- Tyrannosaurs 13y ago
  The UK negotiated an opt out to the 48 hour maximum enforced by the European Working Time directive, though as you say it's something the individual has to agree to (though that can be just by agreeing to a job that stipulates the opt out in the contract). I live in the UK and work in IT and have never had a contract that didn't automatically opt me out of it, however my wife is a doctor and they're all covered by it so work a maximum of 48 hours. Worth noting that it's averaged over time rather than a set maximum for an individual week. Also worth noting that individual countries can have stricter policies. I believe France has a lower maximum.
  - DanBC 13y ago
    > (though that can be just by agreeing to a job that stipulates the opt out in the contract) That would probably fall foul of the regulations.
    - Tyrannosaurs 13y ago
      The contract is fine but a worker can cancel the opt out if they wished (in writing, giving I think 7 days notice) and (in theory at least) they can't be discriminated against for doing so. Worth noting too that the average of 48 hours a week is calculated over 17 weeks so under even under a WTD compliant agreement you could have someone work a month of 60 hour weeks so long as you reverted to 40 hour weeks for a while after to bring the average back down.