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Surely "ye olden HTML days" aren't that far back that we should be talking about them in past tense? I just had a conversation with an iPhone repair guy. He a

Surely "ye olden HTML days" aren't that far back that we should be talking about them in past tense? I just had a conversation with an iPhone repair guy. He asked me to help him fix a centering problem in his website. So he pulled up the HTML, and it was just awful. Table-based layout, broken tags... But it worked, and I taught him about the <center> tag. He gave me a discount on my repair. Malformed HTML input is still very much alive and well, and necessary for non-technical people.

nostrademons 13y ago
<center> is deprecated in HTML5. Unfortunately teaching him about margin: 0 auto and text-align: center might be a bit more complicated.
- wubbfindel 13y ago
  Sounds like that was the least of his HTML problems. Probably wasn't using CSS at all of he was using tables for layout.
tragomaskhalos 13y ago
Let he who has not used table-based layout cast the first stone ...
- ntumlin 13y ago
  I remember thinking, "Wow! It even makes these stylish borders around the cells" Oh the horror.
- eksith 13y ago
  Table based layouts (still being used on practically every forum I frequent) weren't so bad until mobile came into the picture. With fixed sizes, they just weren't flexible. Plus the added bandwidth of sending hundreds of <td>s were non-trivial for those of us who were on a shoestring budget and had sudden influx of visitors back in the day. Of course, now we've replaced the hundreds of <td> with hundreds of JS files instead. Problem solved!
  - runn1ng 13y ago
    If I remember correctly, in IE6, the table didn't load until all of the elements loaded. That's how they tought us tables were baaad.
    - eksith 13y ago
      Indeed, you do remember correctly. This was especially fun on dialup. But it was OK because the forum was running phpBB, which would invariably be hacked/spammed, so you'd be getting a free dialer which was guaranteed increase download speeds ;)

nostrademons 13y ago

<center> is deprecated in HTML5. Unfortunately teaching him about margin: 0 auto and text-align: center might be a bit more complicated.

wubbfindel 13y ago
Sounds like that was the least of his HTML problems. Probably wasn't using CSS at all of he was using tables for layout.

tragomaskhalos 13y ago

Let he who has not used table-based layout cast the first stone ...

ntumlin 13y ago
I remember thinking, "Wow! It even makes these stylish borders around the cells" Oh the horror.
eksith 13y ago
Table based layouts (still being used on practically every forum I frequent) weren't so bad until mobile came into the picture. With fixed sizes, they just weren't flexible. Plus the added bandwidth of sending hundreds of <td>s were non-trivial for those of us who were on a shoestring budget and had sudden influx of visitors back in the day. Of course, now we've replaced the hundreds of <td> with hundreds of JS files instead. Problem solved!
- runn1ng 13y ago
  If I remember correctly, in IE6, the table didn't load until all of the elements loaded. That's how they tought us tables were baaad.
  - eksith 13y ago
    Indeed, you do remember correctly. This was especially fun on dialup. But it was OK because the forum was running phpBB, which would invariably be hacked/spammed, so you'd be getting a free dialer which was guaranteed increase download speeds ;)