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Hate is as strong as Love. I don't see people complaining when other people use Love to describe their feelings. (0) I don't care how great .NET/C# is on top o
by bad_user 13y ago
Hate is as strong as Love. I don't see people complaining when other people use Love to describe their feelings.
(0) I don't care how great .NET/C# is on top of Windows, because Windows does not exist for me.
(1) Visual Studio does not run on my Ubuntu Linux workstation. It does not run on OS X either. In contrast with IntelliJ IDEA or other IDEs.
(2) Mono sucks for building and deploying web services on Linux. Last time I tried it, I had to restart the process constantly as it was leaking memory. Performance sucked too. Things should be better now, with that new generational garbage collector, but building web services was always an afterthought.
(3) Mono is always behind (while also being ahead in some areas). Async landed in Mono and it's finally usable. People did have to wait a lot of time to try it out. People that think Mono is some sort of .NET for Linux/OS X/iOS are wrong. Mono can be treated as a different platform.
Also, Xamarin has been treating Debian/Ubuntu as a second class citizen. The latest version is 3.2.3, but the version I have on my Ubuntu is 2.10.8, as packaging is done by the community. I understand that they have other priorities, but they are also the only company that packages software for Linux and that ignores Ubuntu/Debian.
(4) The ecosystem has no real open-source culture. Most third-party tools and frameworks worth bothering with are proprietary/commercial. Most open-source libraries and tools worth considering are either part of the (small) Mono community or are clones of projects running on top of the JVM. The whole ecosystem is actually very Microsoft-centric and Microsoft couldn't even be bothered to ensure that NuGet works on Linux.
(5) As a corollary to the above, almost everything you need is proprietary and costs a lot of money. Given that my job does not involve .NET/C#, it means I can only use C# in my personal projects (that's how people start). I don't like building projects on top of freeware and again, as example, for $299 per year, Xamarin doesn't even provide email support. And I could rant all day about how BizSpark / WebSpark suc
- keithwarren 13y agotldr; 0 - I dont like Windows. 1 - I dont have Windows. 2 - I dont have Windows so I use Mono 3 - I dont have Windows so I use Mono and it is behind. 4 - I dont like the OSS community around .NET 5 - I dont like spending money on tools You could have been far more terse.
- makomk 13y agotldr of keithwarren's tldr: .NET is really Windows only and anyone who actually expects it to be usable on other platforms is a sucker.
- keithwarren 13y ago.NET runtimes I somewhat agree, but C# is different.
- subsection1h 13y ago> You could have been far more terse. Yeah, if he had simply stated that he didn't use Windows, you would have saved yourself some time by immediately disregarding everything he had to say, such as his informative summary of the .NET's OSS ecosystem, which you simplemindedly equated to "don't like".