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What would it take for MS to make C# fully open source with no threat whatsoever of patent or copyright litigation? Is it really a strong selling point keeping

by sker 13y ago

What would it take for MS to make C# fully open source with no threat whatsoever of patent or copyright litigation? Is it really a strong selling point keeping companies using Windows? Now that MS is the underdog in the mobile wars, wouldn't it benefit them if developers of other platforms adopted C#? They already gave F# away to the community. I don't see why they can't do the same thing with C# and hopefully all of .NET. Maybe the post-Ballmer MS will do it.

githulhu 13y ago
Any promise they make not to sue would be worthless - since they can always just create a shell company (to which such promises would "not apply"[1]) and sue anyway. [1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-goes-nuclear-microsoft-apple-owned-rockstar-sues-google/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-goes-n...
jeswin 13y ago
Ballmer and Microsoft has always threatened Linux with patents; and worse, they have refused to name which ones. There really is no reason to risk such contamination. So even if they made a patent grant, you wouldn't really see a lot of adoption. Actually, they have already given a patent grant for C# and .Net. Nobody cared, except the Ximian guys (now Xamarin, which has always been an awesome team).
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jroseattle 13y ago
This will be interesting to watch. The guy to keep tabs on is Scott Guthrie -- if C# (dotnet, rather) is going to go anywhere off the Win platform, it will be because Scott pushed it there. It's a tough sell, though -- even with the underdog situation. Java took the approach of running everywhere, and Sun really didn't manage it well. I'm not sure MS is ready or able to participate in a world where the platform isn't the central ideology.
keithwarren 13y ago
Not sure what you are looking for or mean by 'fully open source'. The .NET Framework libraries are open source, ASP.NET is open source, the C# compiler itself is closed is closed but it is an ECMA standard and there are open source implementations of it.
- camus2 13y ago
  Can you show me the last C# ecma spec?
  - artmageddon 13y ago
    As far as I can see, the ECMA spec only goes to 2.0: http://csharpindepth.com/articles/chapter1/Specifications.aspx http://csharpindepth.com/articles/chapter1/Specifications.as...
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- Alphasite_ 13y ago
  They're only open source in the sense you can view them, but you definitely cannot do anything with them, edit them, compile them, etc (from what i can determine). Its purely for reference, not use.
pauloortins 13y ago
Should be awesome!

by sker 13y ago

githulhu 13y ago

Any promise they make not to sue would be worthless - since they can always just create a shell company (to which such promises would "not apply"[1]) and sue anyway. [1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-goes-nuclear-microsoft-apple-owned-rockstar-sues-google/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-goes-n...

jeswin 13y ago

Ballmer and Microsoft has always threatened Linux with patents; and worse, they have refused to name which ones. There really is no reason to risk such contamination. So even if they made a patent grant, you wouldn't really see a lot of adoption. Actually, they have already given a patent grant for C# and .Net. Nobody cared, except the Ximian guys (now Xamarin, which has always been an awesome team).

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jroseattle 13y ago

This will be interesting to watch. The guy to keep tabs on is Scott Guthrie -- if C# (dotnet, rather) is going to go anywhere off the Win platform, it will be because Scott pushed it there. It's a tough sell, though -- even with the underdog situation. Java took the approach of running everywhere, and Sun really didn't manage it well. I'm not sure MS is ready or able to participate in a world where the platform isn't the central ideology.

keithwarren 13y ago

Not sure what you are looking for or mean by 'fully open source'. The .NET Framework libraries are open source, ASP.NET is open source, the C# compiler itself is closed is closed but it is an ECMA standard and there are open source implementations of it.

camus2 13y ago
Can you show me the last C# ecma spec?
- artmageddon 13y ago
  As far as I can see, the ECMA spec only goes to 2.0: http://csharpindepth.com/articles/chapter1/Specifications.aspx http://csharpindepth.com/articles/chapter1/Specifications.as...
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Alphasite_ 13y ago
They're only open source in the sense you can view them, but you definitely cannot do anything with them, edit them, compile them, etc (from what i can determine). Its purely for reference, not use.

pauloortins 13y ago

Should be awesome!