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Find a great property manager / cleaner -- Without one of these doing this remotely would be impossible. I managed to find a great local cleaner on craigslist.

Find a great property manager / cleaner -- Without one of these doing this remotely would be impossible. I managed to find a great local cleaner on craigslist. She charges a flat fee of $200 per month which covers unlimited cleanings. And she's probably illegal . . . But even if she's not illegal, how can this "property manager" live with himself, taking advantage of people who don't "know" enough (whether of the language or minimum wage laws) to understand that they are being taken advantage of? I was born in Vegas and have seen what that city has become -- if there's one thing in abundance there it's under-the-radar immigrants. This post represents everything that is wrong with the property management and rental industry: White man want easy money. White man charge high rents. White man hire nice, busy ladies who no speak English to do hard work cleaning. White man hire nice, fast men who no speak English to do hard work painting and carpet replacing. White man take profit for himself and give teeny bit to people who no speak English because they no understand how hard it is to make easy money. His cleaning lady is even laundering towels and sheets for $200 per month? How nice of her. I have about 3 or 4 sets of sheets and towels. This way the cleaner doesn’t need to wash everything in the 3 hours between guest check in and check out. They can simply take all the dirty sheets and towels home, wash them, then next time they swing by the apartment have a clean set of everything ready to drop off.

happyrock 13y ago
Those evil white men up to no good again. When will the evil white man ever understand his evil? He won't, because evil never knows itself. It's in his nature after all. In other words, yawn.
donutdan4114 13y ago
It's not like the cleaner is working 40 hours / week at this guy's place. Depending on how the booking is for the month, she might have to go in and do some cleanup like 10 times per month. Combine her tasks like laundry with other clients to optimize time usage and she can probably handle 20 clients / month. You made so many assumptions about this guy.. Don't try and assume...
cft 13y ago
Just out of curiousity what about pre 1913, when there was no income tax and no minimum wages? Were all those people exploited? Was that all immoral or illegal? It was then that the American wealth was created, at the rates that seem incredible now?
- geofft 13y ago
  I think you would be hard-pressed to argue that large parts of the American wealth before 1863 were not created immorally. 1913 is not very much later. Maybe you're being sarcastic, though, since _The Jungle_ was published in 1906.
nsxwolf 13y ago
Frankly, it's a little offensive to assume these people are being taken advantage of and don't have any idea. It's entirely possible they know exactly what is going on, and don't need a galant white savior to tell them how oppressed they are.
sausman 13y ago
If he's offering $200/mo and she accepts, it's the best she can get. If she were being offered more by someone else I imagine she "knows" enough to determine the bigger of two numbers and accept the better offer. Her options range from $0/mo to $200/mo. You think her best option, the one she chose, should be taken away by force because after reading a blog post you know how to make better life decisions for her? I find that morally objectionable.
- geofft 13y ago
  What's your opinion on minimum-wage laws, and about the thought process that went into creating them?
kordless 13y ago
As others are pointing out, your original comment is rife with blaming statements: "probably illegal", "live with himself", "people who don't know", "everything that is wrong". If you don't understand what that means, it means you are making up shit and saying it for someone else. <----- this is an example of a blaming statement as I imply you don't understand what I just said before you actually have a chance to reply. How about doing a real analysis on this? The screenshot had $90 a night with 13 nights highlighted. Assume $100 so I can do math late, and 16 nights rented a month. Assume blocks of stays, say 3 days average each (it's Vegas) and that means you get 4-5 'stays' by visitors a month. That's a one bedroom apartment, free of personal clutter - it would probably take 2 hours tops to travel to and clean it up with one person. Do that 4 times a month and that's ~8 hours of work for someone a month. Washing sheets at home is easy - takes me 30 minutes of my time to do a load of laundry and fold it. 200/9 hours = $22 an hour. This 3 times minimum wage in Nevada.
- Shinkei 13y ago
  I agree that the 'hate' is unnecessary on the OP's part, but you are grossly underestimating the labor/time/costs of doing someone else's laundry, managing a property and cleaning a unit. Have you ever hired someone to clean your home before? $200 even for 5 visits is a steal... not to mention that he has tacked on the $35 cleaning fee per the actual listing. If he has 6 separate stays, he makes a profit on the cleaning. I understand 'it's just business' and I personally don't have an ethical 'beef' with what he's done... but he really is getting a great deal on the cleaning service and his margin was already pretty amazing on the property. I think he could afford to spend $300 on cleaning/managing and he would probably still break even from the fees. This is a microcosm of the inherent problem with 'trickle-down' economic principles... the person with capital will not spend more than is necessary.
NovemberWest 13y ago
You apparently have no fucking clue why some people come to the U.S. The overprivileged assumptions so many Americans make are just completely out of touch with what goes on in many parts of the world. There are plenty of people not eating who would be happy to work hard so they live better than that.
Shinkei 13y ago
It's even more abusive because the listing says, "$35 cleaning fee." If he rents it to 6 different people, he has already recouped his costs and the rest will be profit. Edit: I don't think I communicated my meaning well here. Bottom line is, Hilton doesn't charge me to clean the room--it's a cost of doing business and is rolled into the cost of the room. The practice of adding on a 'cleaning fee' reeks of profit grabbing... similar to an airline charging for checked bags, except that this is a fee that is a requisite for staying in the room.
- lxmorj 13y ago
  Seriously? It's abusive because he makes a profit and doesn't do all the work himself?? Watch out, all of business, ever!!
  - Shinkei 13y ago
    It's abusive because he is passing the cost of cleaning the place to the user... which in fairness should then be variable based on its usage. 1 OCD person gets charged the same fee as multiple slobs that brought their pets and smoked in the apartment. That 'fee' should be rolled into the rental cost/cost of doing business. He is using it to augment his profit.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      It's abusive because he is passing the cost of cleaning the place to the user... All costs of a business are passed to the consumer. Where do you think the money a business makes comes from? Sure, if there's a cost increase, a business can decide to lower the profit margin to avoid increasing the price, but the costs are still being passed on. which in fairness should then be variable based on its usage Why? When did it become wrong to charge flat fee for a service? The cleaning lady is also charging a flat per hour fee even though it's cheaper for her to do a single 3-hour job instead of 3 1-hour ones, is she being unfair too? Nobody who offers a service can or should be required to charge proportionally to the costs. It's irrational to demand that. That 'fee' should be rolled into the rental cost/cost of doing business. I suggest he eliminates the cleaning fee and raises the prices by $35/visit. Apparently the morality of a fee depend on whether it's itemized. He is using it to augment his profit The nerve.
eriksank 13y ago
Before destroying jobs that people -- such as the cleaning lady -- may need to feed their families, can you try to back up your accusations with something more than racial remarks?

happyrock 13y ago

Those evil white men up to no good again. When will the evil white man ever understand his evil? He won't, because evil never knows itself. It's in his nature after all. In other words, yawn.

donutdan4114 13y ago

It's not like the cleaner is working 40 hours / week at this guy's place. Depending on how the booking is for the month, she might have to go in and do some cleanup like 10 times per month. Combine her tasks like laundry with other clients to optimize time usage and she can probably handle 20 clients / month. You made so many assumptions about this guy.. Don't try and assume...

cft 13y ago

Just out of curiousity what about pre 1913, when there was no income tax and no minimum wages? Were all those people exploited? Was that all immoral or illegal? It was then that the American wealth was created, at the rates that seem incredible now?

geofft 13y ago
I think you would be hard-pressed to argue that large parts of the American wealth before 1863 were not created immorally. 1913 is not very much later. Maybe you're being sarcastic, though, since _The Jungle_ was published in 1906.

nsxwolf 13y ago

Frankly, it's a little offensive to assume these people are being taken advantage of and don't have any idea. It's entirely possible they know exactly what is going on, and don't need a galant white savior to tell them how oppressed they are.

sausman 13y ago

If he's offering $200/mo and she accepts, it's the best she can get. If she were being offered more by someone else I imagine she "knows" enough to determine the bigger of two numbers and accept the better offer. Her options range from $0/mo to $200/mo. You think her best option, the one she chose, should be taken away by force because after reading a blog post you know how to make better life decisions for her? I find that morally objectionable.

geofft 13y ago
What's your opinion on minimum-wage laws, and about the thought process that went into creating them?

kordless 13y ago

As others are pointing out, your original comment is rife with blaming statements: "probably illegal", "live with himself", "people who don't know", "everything that is wrong". If you don't understand what that means, it means you are making up shit and saying it for someone else. <----- this is an example of a blaming statement as I imply you don't understand what I just said before you actually have a chance to reply. How about doing a real analysis on this? The screenshot had $90 a night with 13 nights highlighted. Assume $100 so I can do math late, and 16 nights rented a month. Assume blocks of stays, say 3 days average each (it's Vegas) and that means you get 4-5 'stays' by visitors a month. That's a one bedroom apartment, free of personal clutter - it would probably take 2 hours tops to travel to and clean it up with one person. Do that 4 times a month and that's ~8 hours of work for someone a month. Washing sheets at home is easy - takes me 30 minutes of my time to do a load of laundry and fold it. 200/9 hours = $22 an hour. This 3 times minimum wage in Nevada.

Shinkei 13y ago
I agree that the 'hate' is unnecessary on the OP's part, but you are grossly underestimating the labor/time/costs of doing someone else's laundry, managing a property and cleaning a unit. Have you ever hired someone to clean your home before? $200 even for 5 visits is a steal... not to mention that he has tacked on the $35 cleaning fee per the actual listing. If he has 6 separate stays, he makes a profit on the cleaning. I understand 'it's just business' and I personally don't have an ethical 'beef' with what he's done... but he really is getting a great deal on the cleaning service and his margin was already pretty amazing on the property. I think he could afford to spend $300 on cleaning/managing and he would probably still break even from the fees. This is a microcosm of the inherent problem with 'trickle-down' economic principles... the person with capital will not spend more than is necessary.

NovemberWest 13y ago

You apparently have no fucking clue why some people come to the U.S. The overprivileged assumptions so many Americans make are just completely out of touch with what goes on in many parts of the world. There are plenty of people not eating who would be happy to work hard so they live better than that.

Shinkei 13y ago

It's even more abusive because the listing says, "$35 cleaning fee." If he rents it to 6 different people, he has already recouped his costs and the rest will be profit. Edit: I don't think I communicated my meaning well here. Bottom line is, Hilton doesn't charge me to clean the room--it's a cost of doing business and is rolled into the cost of the room. The practice of adding on a 'cleaning fee' reeks of profit grabbing... similar to an airline charging for checked bags, except that this is a fee that is a requisite for staying in the room.

lxmorj 13y ago
Seriously? It's abusive because he makes a profit and doesn't do all the work himself?? Watch out, all of business, ever!!
- Shinkei 13y ago
  It's abusive because he is passing the cost of cleaning the place to the user... which in fairness should then be variable based on its usage. 1 OCD person gets charged the same fee as multiple slobs that brought their pets and smoked in the apartment. That 'fee' should be rolled into the rental cost/cost of doing business. He is using it to augment his profit.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    It's abusive because he is passing the cost of cleaning the place to the user... All costs of a business are passed to the consumer. Where do you think the money a business makes comes from? Sure, if there's a cost increase, a business can decide to lower the profit margin to avoid increasing the price, but the costs are still being passed on. which in fairness should then be variable based on its usage Why? When did it become wrong to charge flat fee for a service? The cleaning lady is also charging a flat per hour fee even though it's cheaper for her to do a single 3-hour job instead of 3 1-hour ones, is she being unfair too? Nobody who offers a service can or should be required to charge proportionally to the costs. It's irrational to demand that. That 'fee' should be rolled into the rental cost/cost of doing business. I suggest he eliminates the cleaning fee and raises the prices by $35/visit. Apparently the morality of a fee depend on whether it's itemized. He is using it to augment his profit The nerve.

eriksank 13y ago

Before destroying jobs that people -- such as the cleaning lady -- may need to feed their families, can you try to back up your accusations with something more than racial remarks?