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> Google doesn't make any money from Android. You might want to rethink that statement. If Google had not bought Android and built it into the ecosystem it is

> Google doesn't make any money from Android. You might want to rethink that statement. If Google had not bought Android and built it into the ecosystem it is now, do you think Google had made more money by now? > It is fundamentally not in Google's interest to ban iPhones, as they make money on iPhones Google doesn’t sell apps for iOS, but it does pay Apple to be the preferred search engine in Safari. So that line tells me that you know Google makes money on Android (the way it always does, by collecting user data to sell ads – and on ‘Android with Google’ it gets more of that data than anywhere, except perhaps Glass).

cromwellian 13y ago
Google makes money from the Web, primarily from Search. Android is an insurance policy against a world in which Bing is the default search engine. An insurance policy is a cost in case something bad happens. It is well known fact that Google makes far more money on mobile ads on iOS than Android. Google's interests are for people to use the Web as much as possible, and therefore, to make it as cheap as possible to get on the web and spend all your time there. That is, Google's interests are aligned with the interests of the consumers to have downward price pressure on mobile devices. Apple's interest is to maintain margins, it is fundamentally against the interest of consumers in that regard, and therefore, it has a large motive to restrict trade of competitors. Competition is in the interest of consumers, and therefore these abuses of the patent system are also not in the interests of the public. Apple should stop it, and the government should reform the system.
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  > Google makes far more money on mobile ads on iOS than Android. That’s small potatoes. What I’m talking about is the data Google collects while you’re online and logged in with a Google account or using an ‘Android with Google’ device. From your geolocation to your contacts, to the websites you visit, to the searches you perform, to the documents you create in Apps, etc etc. That is data Google can use to display targeted ads on any device that is tied to you, not only on its Google search engine, but on the majority of websites on the Internet (Google owns DoubleClick.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleclick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleclick
  - cromwellian 13y ago
    "Can use". Emphasis on CAN. Display Ads constitute about 12% of Google revenues, the degree to which people imagine Google use's personal data for targeting, and the actual reality are far apart. The reality is, Google makes more money on AdWords through Google searches, and so the default search engine is far more important.
    - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
      Given that Google is a publicly traded company, I think it’s a question of ‘when’ instead of ‘if’ it will trade on user data more than they do now. It only takes a flip of a switch. That’s why companies like Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter have the market value they do. Any of those can at any time flip the switch to cash in on the user data and mindshare they’ve collected. Apple has a very different business model. It hasn’t shown any interest in user data (past credit card information) and doesn’t even have the infrastructure to exploit it. Because Apple is so inept in web services, I don’t mind them having my information on file, while I worry about what Google does with my information even when I’m not logged into its services.

cromwellian 13y ago

Google makes money from the Web, primarily from Search. Android is an insurance policy against a world in which Bing is the default search engine. An insurance policy is a cost in case something bad happens. It is well known fact that Google makes far more money on mobile ads on iOS than Android. Google's interests are for people to use the Web as much as possible, and therefore, to make it as cheap as possible to get on the web and spend all your time there. That is, Google's interests are aligned with the interests of the consumers to have downward price pressure on mobile devices. Apple's interest is to maintain margins, it is fundamentally against the interest of consumers in that regard, and therefore, it has a large motive to restrict trade of competitors. Competition is in the interest of consumers, and therefore these abuses of the patent system are also not in the interests of the public. Apple should stop it, and the government should reform the system.

Samuel_Michon 13y ago
> Google makes far more money on mobile ads on iOS than Android. That’s small potatoes. What I’m talking about is the data Google collects while you’re online and logged in with a Google account or using an ‘Android with Google’ device. From your geolocation to your contacts, to the websites you visit, to the searches you perform, to the documents you create in Apps, etc etc. That is data Google can use to display targeted ads on any device that is tied to you, not only on its Google search engine, but on the majority of websites on the Internet (Google owns DoubleClick.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleclick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubleclick
- cromwellian 13y ago
  "Can use". Emphasis on CAN. Display Ads constitute about 12% of Google revenues, the degree to which people imagine Google use's personal data for targeting, and the actual reality are far apart. The reality is, Google makes more money on AdWords through Google searches, and so the default search engine is far more important.
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    Given that Google is a publicly traded company, I think it’s a question of ‘when’ instead of ‘if’ it will trade on user data more than they do now. It only takes a flip of a switch. That’s why companies like Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter have the market value they do. Any of those can at any time flip the switch to cash in on the user data and mindshare they’ve collected. Apple has a very different business model. It hasn’t shown any interest in user data (past credit card information) and doesn’t even have the infrastructure to exploit it. Because Apple is so inept in web services, I don’t mind them having my information on file, while I worry about what Google does with my information even when I’m not logged into its services.