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It's true for KDE in general. When KDE4 was being made, many many users implored them not to break things for the heck of it. But they went ahead and did it any

It's true for KDE in general. When KDE4 was being made, many many users implored them not to break things for the heck of it. But they went ahead and did it anyway. This ended in them calling their users are stupid and having no clue. TBH, most people have moved away from KDE. There are very few people using KDE. Everyone I know uses Ubuntu/Unity. They may not like Unity but KDE4/Plasma is worse.

ewzimm 13y ago
KDE 4.0 was released almost 6 years ago, and I wish people would get over it. 4.11 is not the same software. It's very fast and stable, and if you develop for it, you can count on long-term compatibility. It's GNOME and Unity that break backward compatibility with new releases now. They certainly have the right to do that, and I respect their desire to move their desktop forward, but it means software like qtcurve no longer works for GTK because some developers don't want to have to rewrite for every GNOME release.
- makomk 13y ago
  Well, it was very fast and stable. For the last few KDE major releases plasma-desktop has been segfaulting on a regular basis for me. I looked up the backtrace a few versions back and found a bugreport where a lot of people were experiencing the same issue; the developers confirmed it and reckoned that it was probably a bug in some new Qt functionality they'd moved to that they couldn't do much about.
  - ewzimm 13y ago
    Could you post a link to the bug report? I'd like to look at it.
    - makomk 13y ago
      I'm fairly this was the bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311871 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311871 Apparently someone finally checked in a workaround a couple of days ago.
      - ewzimm 13y ago
        Looks like it was fixed on 10/28, which is definitely a long turnaround since it was first posted 10 months ago. I suppose it took so long because it was a pretty specific situation (removing a notification while inserting one while hitting a 10 minute timer) but still, that just goes to show two things: the latest KDE has fixed a ton of bugs, even unusual ones like that, and KDE still needs more people looking at bugs so things like this can get a faster turnaround in the future. If anyone does find something like this that isn't getting enough attention on the official bug reports, I'd suggest just mentioning it to a developer friend who uses KDE.
subsection1h 13y ago
> There are very few people using KDE. Interesting. Please provide empirical evidence indicating that fewer people use KDE now than 10 years ago. Thanks. > Everyone I know uses Ubuntu/Unity. > They may not like Unity but KDE4/Plasma is worse. I'm surprised that people who prefer Ubuntu would dislike a desktop environment that is highly configurable and allows knowledgeable users to take greater control of their computing experience.
- riffraff 13y ago
  I would be interested in empirical evidence of the contrary too. It seems likely that the percentage of linux users using KDE has shrank, while probably the total number went up, but I'd be very curious to get hard data.
- shock 13y ago
  > Interesting. Please provide empirical evidence indicating that fewer people use KDE now than 10 years ago. Thanks. I'm one of the people that moved from KDE to Gnome after the fuck-ups with KDE 4.x. Plasma taskbar became unreadable after a few hours use and they kept blaming nvidia drivers when in fact plasma had a pixmap leak. I moved on and never looked back.
ta_koudeeu 13y ago
Funny thing that I actually moved away from ubuntu several years ago, and from gnome a little bit before that and I wonder where you got your data, the 2013 /r/linux survey found out: "Just like last year, there is a lot of variety in what /r/Linux is using as it's graphical environment of choice with "Other" being the top category. The top three are KDE 4, Gnome 3, and XFCE. (...) KDE 4.x was third last year. This year it moved up to first place. For the second year in a row Unity wins "Most Hated Environment" of /r/Linux, followed by GNOME 3, KDE 4, and then KDE 3. And gnome is well known for telling their users they're stupid and clueless, but I don't remember reading such a thing from kde in the ten years I've been using it.
- mappu 13y ago
  2013 /r/linux survey: http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#favoriteDEsResults http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#fav... 2012 /r/linux survey: http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/report.html#favoriteDEsResults http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/report.html#f...
- shock 13y ago
  Evironment Non-Server Users Server Users Total KDE 4.x 392 667 1059 GNOME 3.x 376 627 1003 XFCE 378 605 983 Unity 342 438 780 Cinnamon 378 397 775 GNOME 2.x 213 463 676 Totalling the Gnome-based DEs [0], I get 4217 users versus 1059 users for KDE. [0] http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#favoriteDEsResults http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#fav...

ewzimm 13y ago

KDE 4.0 was released almost 6 years ago, and I wish people would get over it. 4.11 is not the same software. It's very fast and stable, and if you develop for it, you can count on long-term compatibility. It's GNOME and Unity that break backward compatibility with new releases now. They certainly have the right to do that, and I respect their desire to move their desktop forward, but it means software like qtcurve no longer works for GTK because some developers don't want to have to rewrite for every GNOME release.

makomk 13y ago
Well, it was very fast and stable. For the last few KDE major releases plasma-desktop has been segfaulting on a regular basis for me. I looked up the backtrace a few versions back and found a bugreport where a lot of people were experiencing the same issue; the developers confirmed it and reckoned that it was probably a bug in some new Qt functionality they'd moved to that they couldn't do much about.
- ewzimm 13y ago
  Could you post a link to the bug report? I'd like to look at it.
  - makomk 13y ago
    I'm fairly this was the bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311871 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311871 Apparently someone finally checked in a workaround a couple of days ago.
    - ewzimm 13y ago
      Looks like it was fixed on 10/28, which is definitely a long turnaround since it was first posted 10 months ago. I suppose it took so long because it was a pretty specific situation (removing a notification while inserting one while hitting a 10 minute timer) but still, that just goes to show two things: the latest KDE has fixed a ton of bugs, even unusual ones like that, and KDE still needs more people looking at bugs so things like this can get a faster turnaround in the future. If anyone does find something like this that isn't getting enough attention on the official bug reports, I'd suggest just mentioning it to a developer friend who uses KDE.

subsection1h 13y ago

> There are very few people using KDE. Interesting. Please provide empirical evidence indicating that fewer people use KDE now than 10 years ago. Thanks. > Everyone I know uses Ubuntu/Unity. > They may not like Unity but KDE4/Plasma is worse. I'm surprised that people who prefer Ubuntu would dislike a desktop environment that is highly configurable and allows knowledgeable users to take greater control of their computing experience.

riffraff 13y ago
I would be interested in empirical evidence of the contrary too. It seems likely that the percentage of linux users using KDE has shrank, while probably the total number went up, but I'd be very curious to get hard data.
shock 13y ago
> Interesting. Please provide empirical evidence indicating that fewer people use KDE now than 10 years ago. Thanks. I'm one of the people that moved from KDE to Gnome after the fuck-ups with KDE 4.x. Plasma taskbar became unreadable after a few hours use and they kept blaming nvidia drivers when in fact plasma had a pixmap leak. I moved on and never looked back.

ta_koudeeu 13y ago

Funny thing that I actually moved away from ubuntu several years ago, and from gnome a little bit before that and I wonder where you got your data, the 2013 /r/linux survey found out: "Just like last year, there is a lot of variety in what /r/Linux is using as it's graphical environment of choice with "Other" being the top category. The top three are KDE 4, Gnome 3, and XFCE. (...) KDE 4.x was third last year. This year it moved up to first place. For the second year in a row Unity wins "Most Hated Environment" of /r/Linux, followed by GNOME 3, KDE 4, and then KDE 3. And gnome is well known for telling their users they're stupid and clueless, but I don't remember reading such a thing from kde in the ten years I've been using it.

mappu 13y ago
2013 /r/linux survey: http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#favoriteDEsResults http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#fav... 2012 /r/linux survey: http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/report.html#favoriteDEsResults http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/report.html#f...
shock 13y ago
Evironment Non-Server Users Server Users Total KDE 4.x 392 667 1059 GNOME 3.x 376 627 1003 XFCE 378 605 983 Unity 342 438 780 Cinnamon 378 397 775 GNOME 2.x 213 463 676 Totalling the Gnome-based DEs [0], I get 4217 users versus 1059 users for KDE. [0] http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#favoriteDEsResults http://constantmayhem.com/ty-stuff/linuxsurvey/2013.html#fav...