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How does KDE depend on Ubuntu? It's not like KDE will cease to exist if KDE is not included in Ubuntu. And besides, Canonical is more than welcome manage thei

by prg318 13y ago

How does KDE depend on Ubuntu? It's not like KDE will cease to exist if KDE is not included in Ubuntu. And besides, Canonical is more than welcome manage their patches for KWin (or fork KWin) if they really want it to be included in their distribution with their own unique Windowing stack (Mir). I think the problem here is the attitude coming from Mark Shuttleworth which is a terrible example for the rest of the Ubuntu community. Regardless of what Shuttleworth believes, KDE is a own standalone open source project and does not owe anything to Canonical/Ubuntu.

Mikeb85 13y ago
And likewise Canonical owes nothing to KDE. I think KDE wants to be on Ubuntu more than Canonical wants KDE...
- ww520 13y ago
  If that's the case, why would Canonical lobby hard to patch Mir into KDE?
  - otoburb 13y ago
    Because KDE is still relevant in terms of desktop market share/adoption %. They should not give that share up without a "fight", although they may prefer to use a word like "trying".
  - Mikeb85 13y ago
    Because they don't want to break functionality and get blamed for things. If people refuse to support them though, that's another issue. And it IS ridiculous that KDE continues to support Windows but won't support Mir..
    - kdrx 13y ago
      KWin doesn't support Windows
    - frankzinger 13y ago
      As Martin points out elsewhere, the only reason KDE supports Windows is because QT does and it therefore requires almost no effort.
  - general_failure 13y ago
    Nobody lobbied hard. Somebody sent somebody some mails and all of a sudden it's made out as if canonical was lobbying very hard and putting major pressure. I refuse to believe there was major lobbying until I see actual emails (and the number of emails).
    - dagw 13y ago
      It wasn't just "someone", it was Mark Shuttleworth taking time out of his day to attack the person in a public blog post. That's pretty major no matter which way you look at it.
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wmf 13y ago
It's not like KDE will cease to exist if KDE is not included in Ubuntu. I think a fewer users -> fewer contributors -> slower feature velocity -> fewer users death spiral is possible.
- avenger123 13y ago
  KDE has been around a lot longer than Ubuntu and will continue to exist for a lot longer. You mention the word "spiral" but I would say KDE has a lot more legs than you give it credit for.
- gbog 13y ago
  > slower feature velocity I wonder if this is not a positive thing after all, for a mature project. I do not think KDE should add new features at 200 mph speed. I think Ubuntu is actually going too fast.
wodenokoto 13y ago
>It is now they who depend on Canonical to reach and interact >with the vast majority of FLOSS desktop users. It doesn't say depend on to be able to write code. Or depend on to be able to have a github account. Or depend on to be able to exist. It says depend on to reach and interact with the vast majority of FLOSS desktop users.

by prg318 13y ago

Mikeb85 13y ago

And likewise Canonical owes nothing to KDE. I think KDE wants to be on Ubuntu more than Canonical wants KDE...

ww520 13y ago
If that's the case, why would Canonical lobby hard to patch Mir into KDE?
- otoburb 13y ago
  Because KDE is still relevant in terms of desktop market share/adoption %. They should not give that share up without a "fight", although they may prefer to use a word like "trying".
- Mikeb85 13y ago
  Because they don't want to break functionality and get blamed for things. If people refuse to support them though, that's another issue. And it IS ridiculous that KDE continues to support Windows but won't support Mir..
  - kdrx 13y ago
    KWin doesn't support Windows
  - frankzinger 13y ago
    As Martin points out elsewhere, the only reason KDE supports Windows is because QT does and it therefore requires almost no effort.
- general_failure 13y ago
  Nobody lobbied hard. Somebody sent somebody some mails and all of a sudden it's made out as if canonical was lobbying very hard and putting major pressure. I refuse to believe there was major lobbying until I see actual emails (and the number of emails).
  - dagw 13y ago
    It wasn't just "someone", it was Mark Shuttleworth taking time out of his day to attack the person in a public blog post. That's pretty major no matter which way you look at it.
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wmf 13y ago

It's not like KDE will cease to exist if KDE is not included in Ubuntu. I think a fewer users -> fewer contributors -> slower feature velocity -> fewer users death spiral is possible.

avenger123 13y ago
KDE has been around a lot longer than Ubuntu and will continue to exist for a lot longer. You mention the word "spiral" but I would say KDE has a lot more legs than you give it credit for.
gbog 13y ago
> slower feature velocity I wonder if this is not a positive thing after all, for a mature project. I do not think KDE should add new features at 200 mph speed. I think Ubuntu is actually going too fast.

wodenokoto 13y ago

>It is now they who depend on Canonical to reach and interact >with the vast majority of FLOSS desktop users. It doesn't say depend on to be able to write code. Or depend on to be able to have a github account. Or depend on to be able to exist. It says depend on to reach and interact with the vast majority of FLOSS desktop users.