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IMO the minute you are hired as an at-will employee that can be terminated at any time, with or without cause, you have been granted carte blanche to do the sam
by varelse 13y ago
IMO the minute you are hired as an at-will employee that can be terminated at any time, with or without cause, you have been granted carte blanche to do the same to your employer.
That said, staying for ~2 years and jumping when you can get a promotion by doing so seems to be a pretty common strategy. I've heard hiring managers and engineers decry this practice repeatedly, but I know way too many directors and VPs who got there by doing this very thing to feel one should criticize it. Or, sigh, hate the game, don't hate the player.
- toomuchtodo 13y agoVP of Operations here. The longest I've stayed at a job was three years in thirteen years. I make what I make because I don't wait around for a raise. If you haven't given me one, I go to greener pastures (as we all should!). Loyalty and waiting years for recognition via compensation? Ain't nobody got time for that.
- amackera 13y agoDo you at least ask for a raise first?
- allsystemsgo 13y agoI would assume he did. I would usually make it known that I'm not pleased with my current pay level and that if an opportunity were to arise that compensated me fairly, I would take it.
- toomuchtodo 13y agoNo. Asking for the raise sours the relationship (In my experience). I have an expected time frame, and if it doesn't occur, I go.
- eru 13y agoYou can usually get way more by switching.
- petervandijck 13y agoA raise usually means a 5-10% increase, a job change a 20-50% increase. Asking for a raise makes little sense.
- djKianoosh 13y agoAsking for a raise also puts you on management radar. some people like that, some people don't. they consider you a "flight risk" at that point. good companies will try to figure out ways (other than money) to keep you around. Sometimes though, personal dynamics change and those people just leave a few months later anyway, even if they do get a bump in the short term.
- toomuchtodo 13y agoYou and the parent you posted to answered perfectly for me.
- sblawrie 13y agoMy company has straight up told me that they know I'm a "flight risk". I've been there for a year and a half, and they know I'm looking to do "bigger" things then what I currently work on. So, they've been continually giving me raises. It's really nice, but frankly, it doesn't matter. I'm still interviewing elsewhere. They're right; I want to go somewhere where I'm challenged, and unless they can pay me 40% more than what I'll make on the free market, I'm a "flight risk".
- VladRussian2 13y agoyou'll see what you were missing on when you give a notice to your manager :)