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As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s p

by swombat 17y ago

As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?

zitterbewegung 17y ago
Statement by freenode because of the block http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/ http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-wh... Analysis: Seems like mibbit was being abused and it was difficult for freenode to combat the abuse. Freenode eventually just got fed up with all the time required to fix the problem. It was too easy to get on mibbit to evade a ban to screw with a channel.
- pygy 17y ago
  They also claim that the communication and collaboration with Mibbit wasn't easy. Direct link to their new web IRC client: http://webchat.freenode.net/ http://webchat.freenode.net/
  - sho 17y ago
    Wow, that client is great! A lovely, clean design, written in Python, GPL2. Damn, so many nice things written in Python .. guess it's time to learn it : /
    - jodrellblank 17y ago
      great! "Disconnected from server: Connection to IRC server lost: Buffer overflow" Mibbit has never done that to me...
      - fishking 17y ago
        seems to be a setting: https://bitbucket.org/slug/qwebirc/src/tip/config.py.example#cl-131 https://bitbucket.org/slug/qwebirc/src/tip/config.py.example...
ankhmoop 17y ago
As someone who has been placed in the position of semi-regularly banning mibbit from freenode OSS project channels due to abusive users, I can't see how this is a bad thing. The quality of user was exceptionally low, and "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.
- sho 17y ago
  Agreed. Maybe it's not very nice, but I kind of think that anyone incapable of installing a proper IRC client probably shouldn't be using IRC in the first place. The situation on, say, the ruby-talk mailing list is analogous; whenever you see a really, really stupid question, check out the submitter - chances are it's through one of the web interfaces to the ML. The necessity of installing and configuring an IRC client to use freenode is an example of a good barrier to entry.
  - davidw 17y ago
    * Going http is a nice way to get around firewalls. Sure, I can tunnel through SSH to my server, but that is a bit harder and not everyone has a server to tunnel to. * Part of axod's idea, from what I gather, is simply to provide a nice chat system, that happens to have IRC as a backend. Would you say that people who can't install a proper nntp/smtp/whatever client shouldn't be allowed either? How 'bout twitter, to pick something popular? How about people who need help setting up an online store presence because they can't code it themselves? We owe the existence of this site to pg knocking down that particular barrier to entry. Now, the question of abusive users is another one, and one that deserves to be taken seriously. But I have no idea about how axod handles that side of things.
    - ankhmoop 17y ago
      I wouldn't say shouldn't, but I would say that a slightly higher barrier to entry serves as a good first-pass filter for technically-oriented communities.
      - 17y ago

by swombat 17y ago

As I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?

zitterbewegung 17y ago

Statement by freenode because of the block http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/ http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-wh... Analysis: Seems like mibbit was being abused and it was difficult for freenode to combat the abuse. Freenode eventually just got fed up with all the time required to fix the problem. It was too easy to get on mibbit to evade a ban to screw with a channel.

pygy 17y ago
They also claim that the communication and collaboration with Mibbit wasn't easy. Direct link to their new web IRC client: http://webchat.freenode.net/ http://webchat.freenode.net/
- sho 17y ago
  Wow, that client is great! A lovely, clean design, written in Python, GPL2. Damn, so many nice things written in Python .. guess it's time to learn it : /
  - jodrellblank 17y ago
    great! "Disconnected from server: Connection to IRC server lost: Buffer overflow" Mibbit has never done that to me...
    - fishking 17y ago
      seems to be a setting: https://bitbucket.org/slug/qwebirc/src/tip/config.py.example#cl-131 https://bitbucket.org/slug/qwebirc/src/tip/config.py.example...

ankhmoop 17y ago

As someone who has been placed in the position of semi-regularly banning mibbit from freenode OSS project channels due to abusive users, I can't see how this is a bad thing. The quality of user was exceptionally low, and "easy webchat" simply doesn't seem like a strong value proposition for the technical users that frequent the network.

sho 17y ago
Agreed. Maybe it's not very nice, but I kind of think that anyone incapable of installing a proper IRC client probably shouldn't be using IRC in the first place. The situation on, say, the ruby-talk mailing list is analogous; whenever you see a really, really stupid question, check out the submitter - chances are it's through one of the web interfaces to the ML. The necessity of installing and configuring an IRC client to use freenode is an example of a good barrier to entry.
- davidw 17y ago
  * Going http is a nice way to get around firewalls. Sure, I can tunnel through SSH to my server, but that is a bit harder and not everyone has a server to tunnel to. * Part of axod's idea, from what I gather, is simply to provide a nice chat system, that happens to have IRC as a backend. Would you say that people who can't install a proper nntp/smtp/whatever client shouldn't be allowed either? How 'bout twitter, to pick something popular? How about people who need help setting up an online store presence because they can't code it themselves? We owe the existence of this site to pg knocking down that particular barrier to entry. Now, the question of abusive users is another one, and one that deserves to be taken seriously. But I have no idea about how axod handles that side of things.
  - ankhmoop 17y ago
    I wouldn't say shouldn't, but I would say that a slightly higher barrier to entry serves as a good first-pass filter for technically-oriented communities.
    - 17y ago