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Freenode has blocked the Mibbit client permanently.
- jjs 17y agoThe new #startups is on irc.mibbit.net
- igorgue 17y agowhy?, I mean, Freenode > Mibbit IMHO, its like I stop using Twitter because they blocked Tweetdeck.
- moe 17y agoActually #startups has not moved. It is still alive and kicking on freenode.
- axod 17y agoBye guys :(
- swombat 17y agoIt's alive and kicking without one of its most active members. That's not good.
- jjs 17y agoAt the time I wrote that, #startups on freenode was muted, with the topic line (and frequent op posts) stating that mibbit was banned by freenode, and the new #startups is on irc.mibbit.com. That may still happen, depending on whether freenode learns to actually trust a human being (see the rest of this thread), and on what axod and swombat decide. Edit: And you can come to #startups on irc.mibbit.com already. :)
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- swombat 17y agoAs I said in the previous thread before mariorz deleted his own submission: This is completely stupid of Freenode. Shame on them. Axod, how do you know it’s permanent? Have they made a statement?
- zitterbewegung 17y agoStatement by freenode because of the block http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/ http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-wh... Analysis: Seems like mibbit was being abused and it was difficult for freenode to combat the abuse. Freenode eventually just got fed up with all the time required to fix the problem. It was too easy to get on mibbit to evade a ban to screw with a channel.
- pygy 17y agoThey also claim that the communication and collaboration with Mibbit wasn't easy. Direct link to their new web IRC client: http://webchat.freenode.net/ http://webchat.freenode.net/
- sho 17y agoWow, that client is great! A lovely, clean design, written in Python, GPL2. Damn, so many nice things written in Python .. guess it's time to learn it : /
- jodrellblank 17y agogreat! "Disconnected from server: Connection to IRC server lost: Buffer overflow" Mibbit has never done that to me...
- fishking 17y agoseems to be a setting: https://bitbucket.org/slug/qwebirc/src/tip/config.py.example#cl-131 https://bitbucket.org/slug/qwebirc/src/tip/config.py.example...
- sztanpet 17y agothere is a webirc project in the works for freenode if i know correctly, its based on quakenets qwebirc (which is a lot nicer then mibbit, but of course YMMV)
- jjs 17y agoThe reason people are moving to the new #startups is not to use mibbit's client (I'm using Colloquy on the Mac), but rather to show solidarity for axod.
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- jjs 17y agoFUD: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=486482 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=486482
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- jjs 17y agoYou called him a "homophobe", and I provided a link that shows evidence to the contrary. A link to an article with a comment by you, so I know you've had the chance to read the comments. I stand by my accusation of FUD, and add one of trolling, as well.
- natch 17y agoI disagree with his position, but think I was getting this discussion too far away from technology. So yeah, trolling - not intentionally, but in effect yes. So I deleted my earlier comments.
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- sneakums 17y agoWell, if this isn't a perfect vortex of inconsequentiality then I don't know what is.
- jerome_etienne 17y agowhy splitting community ? shame [17:30] <swombat> it's called +m [17:30] <swombat> it works like this [17:30] * swombat sets the channel mode to 'moderated'.
- davidw 17y agoaxod - you might want to handle widgets and other things in a nicer way: http://www.bikechatter.com/chat http://www.bikechatter.com/chat , by for instance, just saying up front that freenode is broken.
- froo 17y agoI know the "official" reason, but I'm curious if there's any correlation between the blocking of mibbit and axod's post about how much revenue mibbit was making here (http://axod.blogspot.com/2009/06/revenue-browser.html http://axod.blogspot.com/2009/06/revenue-browser.html) - the timing is awfully suspicious. I mean, a day after the post they "magically" have their own web client up that they would rather you use. I had a look at the qwebirc client they implemented, default installation right now (looks like it was just thrown up) no ads yet, wondering how long before that changes? EDIT - well it seems that in part some of the argument from freenode's perspective is about money. (00:44:02) axod: nenolod: and please explain what incentive I would have to falsify such information (00:44:17) nenolod: axod: assistance with ban evasion in exchange for money (00:44:26) axod: nenolod: seriouslly? (00:44:30) nenolod: axod: seriously. (00:44:33) axod: lol
- Tichy 17y agoWhat is the official reason?
- froo 17y agoPeople abusing mibbit webchat to cause strife http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/ http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-wh... Honestly, freenode is loaded up with tech savvy users. This will solve nothing. If users want to cause strife on channels, the tool they use is inconsequential. Below are two scenario's off the top of my head. Scenario #1 - people will be using proxies and using freenode's webchat client = banning mibbit was pointless Scenario #2 - people will be using their own irc clients and using open proxies = banning mibbit was pointless So banning of mibbit hasn't actually solved the problem, but like I theorised above, has the potential to funnel revenue to freenode and given the timing of axod's post about revenue, with the banning of mibbit only a day or so after followed by the awfully convenient default webchat installation that freenode put up, it smells a little fishy (even if it's tin foil hat territory, you still have to admit it's bad timing on freenodes part). EDIT - Scenario #3 - lowtech, just reconnecting off your router to refresh your IP and connect from home = banning mibbit was pointless
- jrockway 17y agoFreenode accepts Tor connections, so just connect that way.
- bnrubin 17y agoFreenode sometimes accepts Tor connections. Other times they too are banned due to abuse. Of course you could sign up with their tor-gpg hidden service to get past that block.
- jcromartie 17y agoOuch. Mibbit+Freenode has saved my butt many times. Sad to see it go... especially when Mibbit is one of the better choices when it comes to free IRC on Windows.
- patcito 17y agoYou can use that instead http://webchat.freenode.net/ http://webchat.freenode.net/
- mannylee1 17y agoSo what is an alternative Web Based IRC client? For those of us working behind a corporate firewall, Mibbit.com was the only way to access IRC.
- axod 17y agoThis is a sad thing in terms of Freenode, and users trying to access it from Mibbit, but will not affect Mibbit as such. I remember using Freenode early on when I discovered open source. It was a fantastic vibrant place with hackers all over the place. openprojects, lilo, great... Unfortunately, maybe it's got too big. The atmosphere has changed for the worse IMHO. In my opinion, the staff no longer represent the community. Today, they put their own ideals ahead of their users. Their objections to Mibbit have been * It's not open source * It makes money The 'abuse' reason I believe is a red herring. Abuse is easy enough to deal with, and them operating their own web client won't change how often people abuse using a web client. In fact their own web client is less secure than mibbit in terms of preventing abuse. So, IMHO, a sad day for Freenode and all that they used to represent, but an opportunity to create a new haven for hackers.
- ankhmoop 17y agoToday, they put their own ideals ahead of their users. Their objections to Mibbit have been: It's not open source, It makes money Working with Mibbit clearly costs freenode time and resources that they would rather not spend. Since Mibbit makes money, perhaps you should consider entering into a contractual relationship to provide them with financial incentive and other guarantees, in exchange for their investment in supporting your service? The 'abuse' reason I believe is a red herring. Abuse is easy enough to deal with, and them operating their own web client won't change how often people abuse using a web client. The abuse from Mibbit has been the only reason (in months) that I've had to set myself as an operator and ban users. As a user, I don't feel this is a 'red herring'. So, IMHO, a sad day for Freenode and all that they used to represent, but an opportunity to create a new haven for hackers. I'm perfectly happy on Freenode, and our IRC channels are quite vibrant. I hope you can reach a resolution with the Freenode staff.
- axod 17y agoI offered to sponsor servers, to help with coding, etc many many times. My emails were ignored. When I popped into #freenode to ask, they said "We assumed you wanted something in return so we ignored them". I also offered to help with the abuse. I've asked several times for details of abuse. I haven't been able to get concrete details on what abuse happens, when, what they have to do etc. The staff are incredibly secretive - unlike other networks, they don't link servers, their staff run everything, and I believe this was one of the reasons - they want complete control over everything including web clients. Out of 500 or so people @peak times, I think the abuse level was really low. Also it's easily solved with a WEBIRC setup which we have with a large number of IRC networks (Which we never hear from, because abuse is handled by WEBIRC and their own systems as with direct connections). I hope freenode will decide to reconsider, but they clearly want people to use their own web client, rather than mibbit. It would have been nice to at least give people some notice rather than just shut off access.
- JeremyChase 17y agoIf freenode is really having that much difficulty with Mibbit clients, why not allow individual channels to allow/deny Mibbit clients.
- randallsquared 17y agoWell, just from the threads here, apparently they're not really having any difficulty with Mibbit; they just saw an opportunity to bring that traffic in-house.
- james2vegas 17y agoi imagine the default irc:// protocol handler set to mibbit in future firefoxen influenced their decision
- oomkiller 17y agoI'd just start running everything through Tor. That's the way they should have handled this anyways. If it is a problem, block it temporarily or unregistered/confirmed users. To me this sounds more like something personal than an actual logical reason.
- zackattack 17y agoThis is messed up. The only reason I use mibbit is to get on Freenode when I'm coding at public terminals.
- Annointed 17y agoRIP Freenode and Lilo. It's a shame, but the extreme reactions of the freenode operators is destroying the server. Soon you'll need an encryption key, proprietary software and be forced to donate (which btw i wont be doing any more)