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I find it strange that the assumption is made that "Silicon Valley" is clearly going to be on the side of the general public in this. Why? Isn't the smart mone
by freshhawk 13y ago
I find it strange that the assumption is made that "Silicon Valley" is clearly going to be on the side of the general public in this. Why?
Isn't the smart money going to side with the real power? If those well connected enough to attempt to predict things see the odds of the US rolling back the surveillance state to be low and the odds of the levels of surveillance growing then certainly brokering user data and developing better surveillance tech and more popular services that produce personal data is a growth industry?
I personally think it would be insane to bet on a significant overhaul of the american defense and security industry. Everyone understands why the giants didn't pull a Lavabit and just helped cover things up, and carefully prepared inaccurate statements when it came out. The exact same reasons are why it's a much better business decision to go along with this, to step on your competitors to help further the surveillance state rather than fight it.
I only see two arguments for this: That they will lose customers because people demand privacy and will stop using their services if they cooperate. This hasn't happened yet and, if history repeats itself, would just take a big marketing spend to stop anyway. The user experience of any company taking a stand would probably be worse than a cooperating company, so people would have to make a sacrifice to secure their privacy. Also something that is clearly not what people do right now. This is clearly going to be the free market ideologue's argument. Fair warning: I'm going to ignore "people will boycott Google because they are self interested rational actors and it would be irrational to sacrifice privacy for convenience" like I would ignore other naive religious arguments.
The other argument seems to boil down to just: "But that's my team/tribe and they're the good guys" or that it's felt that rich and powerful people in the tech industry are fundamentally different kinds of people and will readily risk their money and power for reasons that obviously don't motivate most other rich and powerful people.
Neither is particularly convincing.
- ForHackernews 13y agoI think the argument is that Google and others stand to lose a great deal of business around the world if they're seen as a front for US government intelligence agencies. That gives them a real financial interest in opposing this kind of surveillance.
- freshhawk 13y agoThey are currently seen as a front internationally aren't they? Probably as much as they ever will be. It'll have some effect but I'm not convinced that the lost business would pay for the fight necessary to change the circumstances. The fight would be hugely expensive, in cash and political capital and not likely to make a difference. The best decision for the bottom line would be to put up a show of a fight and do "we're trustworthy" marketing while getting in on that sweet defense contractor money (especially when you are encouraged to cooperate and lie about it by the law) instead of actually changing things. This is what I see them doing, and I'm not convinced there is any reason for them to change.
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- zaroth 13y ago> That they will lose customers because people demand privacy and will stop using their services if they cooperate. This hasn't happened yet... Apparently it's already decimating IBM hardware sales in China. http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2013/10/17/nsa-revelations-kill-ibm-hardware-sales-in-china.html http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2013/10/17/nsa-revelatio...
- freshhawk 13y agoThat's a good point, companies selling to governments and large organizations will probably see a drop in business. Makes sense that those types of decisions will be affected.
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