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How to tell a geek

37 points by dragonquest 17y ago

edw519 17y ago
OK, let's get this straight once and for all... Saying things like, "All geeks..." "Every geek..." "Geeks will always..." is just wrong. Makes no more sense than saying, "All lefthanders..." "Every woman..." or "Nebraskans will always..." There are as many kinds of geeks as there are geeks (NbrOfGeekCategories == NbrOfGeeks). Sure, there are a lot of generalizations, but we are all unique. I bathe regularly, socialize often, have never watched Star Trek, don't play video games, and enjoy sports. OTOH, I plot out every trip on Google maps before leaving home, schedule my day out in half hour increments, and place my things out in the morning to be picked up in the proper order. I have to go through the supermarket counter-clockwise to optimize filling the cart. If I learn a new fact, I'm looking for the general rule about 6 seconds later, and am plotting out use cases within an hour. I'll probably have some code written, too. Is there anyone out there just like me? I didn't think so. (Thank goodness.)
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- dhimes 17y ago
  You are right- we are different. I go through the interior aisles of the supermarket first before finishing with a perimeter swing (where the cold stuff is kept). The perimeter swing is, of course, counter-clockwise. I like to keep my angular momentum up.
  - CWuestefeld 17y ago
    Do you go in the opposite direction when you shop in the other hemisphere? Seriously, are you suggesting that part of "geekiness" is a tendency to think through and design an approach before doing anything? Or maybe that it's a skill for rationalizing any approach afterwards?
    - aristus 17y ago
      I think there is a tendency to get bored by repetitive tasks an find ways to do them better. No forward planning necessary. One of my first jobs was maintaining a national phone book library: 50lbs of new books in and 50lbs old books out every day, just the kind of thing to keep a 15-year-old busy all day. Within a couple weeks I had redesigned my pipeline to reduce labeling errors and speed the whole thing up by a factor of 2 or 3, which meant I could do other work as well (which lead to me learning print design, then animation, then programming). I was not planning ahead, just bored, and it seemed normal to me. I was shocked when I tried to train my replacement: she stared at me like I was from Mars. I tried to explain how she should sort the new books first by state, not size, rip through the label printing process in one shot, remember that the list is now backwards when you apply the labels, spot-check every tenth book (ie, when you hit a perforation in the label fan-fold)... etc. She just went on with print-stick-shelf process for each book, and it took her all day.
- dkarl 17y ago
  Not to mention that she thinks all geeks are software geeks. Some geek programmers are geeky about something else and don't give a damn about software beyond getting it to work.
  - mixmax 17y ago
    Exactly - I happen to know an diesel-engine geek, a train geek and a submarine geek.
- klahnako 17y ago
  May I suggest that you are not a geek: No Star Trek? Blasphemer!
  - oz 17y ago
    I grew up without cable (rural Jamaica) but even I caught a few episodes of Enterprise... All things being equal, Earth Final Conflict was better...
- mcormier 17y ago
  This blog posting is more of a nonchalant personal statement by the author. Your retort is longer than the original posting.
- Periodic 17y ago
  I believe our language is a lot less precise than you imagine. It is a common practice to over-generalize to make a point, and it is assumed that there are exceptions. Saying, "all geeks" means she sees something as a trend. I suppose her wording was a little bit stronger than it needed to be, but I doubt anyone reading this would suddenly take it as a definitive guide to geekdom. You must really hate political speeches.
  - shard 17y ago
    Reading all/every/always as a mathematical definition is a pedantic point I see a lot of when reading technical people's responses to non-technical posts. It gets on my nerves as it does not promote the conversation. Although there are exceptions to that. I don't recall the phrase "all the time" get picked on the same way (e.g. "I get stuck in traffic all the time"), perhaps it is more deeply ingrained in everyone that it is hyperbole.
sili 17y ago
The notion that a geek will always write a program instead of doing something manually is becoming a cliche.
- J_McQuade 17y ago
  Aye, you see so many similar postings around that I'm starting to think someone's automated it...
  - sili 17y ago
    Understanding a subtle recursive humor is what makes one a geek.
- wizard_2 17y ago
  Honestly the 3rd or 4th time I have to do something I'll write a program for it, and only if I know they're would be a 5th or a 6th. I've almost written myself out of my job about 3 times now. I got hired to do IT and run manual reports, after a few weeks our internal IT was up to speed (user support isn't that high volume if their systems are in order), and a few weeks later I had no more "manual" reports. Luckily for me I know how to drum up more projects, I go and find "sore spots". Now I've got a trail of automation and reputation for taking the pain out of our processes. I'm valued and it makes me happy. And to think I could be doing manual reports instead.. I also know I'm responsible for work happening on days when I spend all my time reading HN...
  - klahnako 17y ago
    I do not know how you can call yourself a geek if you can tolerate boredom 3 or 4 times before even considering making a program instead. For some reason, you (and others here) assume efficiency is an attribute of geekdom. I suggest that efficiency is actually a contraindicates geekdom. Being a geek is more about fun, it is not about how well you can optimize.
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jreposa 17y ago
Came across this already today. In order for the creative director to view the site on my local machine he asked for the IP address. I decided instead to install a local DNS server. Am I crazy? Also, anyone else know of an easy way to get PCs to recognize the computername.local address that Mac's have? Otherwise, I'll just keep configuring the DNS.
- davidw 17y ago
  Set up a dev server?
  - jreposa 17y ago
    Good call. Anyone willing to donate one? We're in the NYC area. Bootstrap startup. All of our money goes towards keeping the site running.
    - brandnewlow 17y ago
      Why does your bootstrap startup have a creative director? What does this person do?
      - jreposa 17y ago
        We are equal partners. Is it so strange? We come from the advertising world. He is an award winning creative director. I was the CTO at our former employer.
        davidw 17y ago
        A cheapo box with Ubuntu on it could probably be had used for under $200. For instance, this box is overkill for what you need: http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/1229891889.html http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/1229891889.html
        brandnewlow 17y ago
        That makes perfect sense. I didn't mean to sound harsh. "Creative director" sounds like someone who tells a bunch of people what to do but doesn't do much him/herself. Glad to hear that's not the case.
zacharypinter 17y ago
"I've heard it said that a good geek is lazy, but I think it's more precise to say that a geek dreads boredom above all else. We'll move mountains to accomplish a task, as long as it's interesting." In my opinion, this is the largest problem with unit tests and TDD. Much of it (though not all) is the type of boring work that lazy programmers dread. Calling it "professionalism" and saying it's what good developers are supposed to do doesn't help. I'm not sure what the answer is for overcoming this. Dynamic languages help by cutting down on the amount of code. However, it still seems like we need better tools. Perhaps a way to convert a stack trace into a test? Or maybe a repl-to-unit-test generator?
csomar 17y ago
I can agree (and this is not only for GEeks), simply here's why Creating an application is fun, there's no monotony on it, in fact you don't repeat code, if you need it again, you can recall it. Grease ebowl tasks are annoying and boring so no one wants them.

37 points by dragonquest 17y ago

OK, let's get this straight once and for all... Saying things like, "All geeks..." "Every geek..." "Geeks will always..." is just wrong. Makes no more sense than saying, "All lefthanders..." "Every woman..." or "Nebraskans will always..." There are as many kinds of geeks as there are geeks (NbrOfGeekCategories == NbrOfGeeks). Sure, there are a lot of generalizations, but we are all unique. I bathe regularly, socialize often, have never watched Star Trek, don't play video games, and enjoy sports. OTOH, I plot out every trip on Google maps before leaving home, schedule my day out in half hour increments, and place my things out in the morning to be picked up in the proper order. I have to go through the supermarket counter-clockwise to optimize filling the cart. If I learn a new fact, I'm looking for the general rule about 6 seconds later, and am plotting out use cases within an hour. I'll probably have some code written, too. Is there anyone out there just like me? I didn't think so. (Thank goodness.)

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dhimes 17y ago
You are right- we are different. I go through the interior aisles of the supermarket first before finishing with a perimeter swing (where the cold stuff is kept). The perimeter swing is, of course, counter-clockwise. I like to keep my angular momentum up.
- CWuestefeld 17y ago
  Do you go in the opposite direction when you shop in the other hemisphere? Seriously, are you suggesting that part of "geekiness" is a tendency to think through and design an approach before doing anything? Or maybe that it's a skill for rationalizing any approach afterwards?
  - aristus 17y ago
    I think there is a tendency to get bored by repetitive tasks an find ways to do them better. No forward planning necessary. One of my first jobs was maintaining a national phone book library: 50lbs of new books in and 50lbs old books out every day, just the kind of thing to keep a 15-year-old busy all day. Within a couple weeks I had redesigned my pipeline to reduce labeling errors and speed the whole thing up by a factor of 2 or 3, which meant I could do other work as well (which lead to me learning print design, then animation, then programming). I was not planning ahead, just bored, and it seemed normal to me. I was shocked when I tried to train my replacement: she stared at me like I was from Mars. I tried to explain how she should sort the new books first by state, not size, rip through the label printing process in one shot, remember that the list is now backwards when you apply the labels, spot-check every tenth book (ie, when you hit a perforation in the label fan-fold)... etc. She just went on with print-stick-shelf process for each book, and it took her all day.
dkarl 17y ago
Not to mention that she thinks all geeks are software geeks. Some geek programmers are geeky about something else and don't give a damn about software beyond getting it to work.
- mixmax 17y ago
  Exactly - I happen to know an diesel-engine geek, a train geek and a submarine geek.
klahnako 17y ago
May I suggest that you are not a geek: No Star Trek? Blasphemer!
- oz 17y ago
  I grew up without cable (rural Jamaica) but even I caught a few episodes of Enterprise... All things being equal, Earth Final Conflict was better...
mcormier 17y ago
This blog posting is more of a nonchalant personal statement by the author. Your retort is longer than the original posting.
Periodic 17y ago
I believe our language is a lot less precise than you imagine. It is a common practice to over-generalize to make a point, and it is assumed that there are exceptions. Saying, "all geeks" means she sees something as a trend. I suppose her wording was a little bit stronger than it needed to be, but I doubt anyone reading this would suddenly take it as a definitive guide to geekdom. You must really hate political speeches.
- shard 17y ago
  Reading all/every/always as a mathematical definition is a pedantic point I see a lot of when reading technical people's responses to non-technical posts. It gets on my nerves as it does not promote the conversation. Although there are exceptions to that. I don't recall the phrase "all the time" get picked on the same way (e.g. "I get stuck in traffic all the time"), perhaps it is more deeply ingrained in everyone that it is hyperbole.

sili 17y ago

The notion that a geek will always write a program instead of doing something manually is becoming a cliche.

J_McQuade 17y ago
Aye, you see so many similar postings around that I'm starting to think someone's automated it...
- sili 17y ago
  Understanding a subtle recursive humor is what makes one a geek.
wizard_2 17y ago
Honestly the 3rd or 4th time I have to do something I'll write a program for it, and only if I know they're would be a 5th or a 6th. I've almost written myself out of my job about 3 times now. I got hired to do IT and run manual reports, after a few weeks our internal IT was up to speed (user support isn't that high volume if their systems are in order), and a few weeks later I had no more "manual" reports. Luckily for me I know how to drum up more projects, I go and find "sore spots". Now I've got a trail of automation and reputation for taking the pain out of our processes. I'm valued and it makes me happy. And to think I could be doing manual reports instead.. I also know I'm responsible for work happening on days when I spend all my time reading HN...
- klahnako 17y ago
  I do not know how you can call yourself a geek if you can tolerate boredom 3 or 4 times before even considering making a program instead. For some reason, you (and others here) assume efficiency is an attribute of geekdom. I suggest that efficiency is actually a contraindicates geekdom. Being a geek is more about fun, it is not about how well you can optimize.
  - wizard_2 17y ago

jreposa 17y ago

Came across this already today. In order for the creative director to view the site on my local machine he asked for the IP address. I decided instead to install a local DNS server. Am I crazy? Also, anyone else know of an easy way to get PCs to recognize the computername.local address that Mac's have? Otherwise, I'll just keep configuring the DNS.

davidw 17y ago
Set up a dev server?
- jreposa 17y ago
  Good call. Anyone willing to donate one? We're in the NYC area. Bootstrap startup. All of our money goes towards keeping the site running.
  - brandnewlow 17y ago
    Why does your bootstrap startup have a creative director? What does this person do?
    - jreposa 17y ago
      We are equal partners. Is it so strange? We come from the advertising world. He is an award winning creative director. I was the CTO at our former employer.
      - davidw 17y ago
        A cheapo box with Ubuntu on it could probably be had used for under $200. For instance, this box is overkill for what you need: http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/1229891889.html http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/1229891889.html
      - brandnewlow 17y ago
        That makes perfect sense. I didn't mean to sound harsh. "Creative director" sounds like someone who tells a bunch of people what to do but doesn't do much him/herself. Glad to hear that's not the case.

zacharypinter 17y ago

"I've heard it said that a good geek is lazy, but I think it's more precise to say that a geek dreads boredom above all else. We'll move mountains to accomplish a task, as long as it's interesting." In my opinion, this is the largest problem with unit tests and TDD. Much of it (though not all) is the type of boring work that lazy programmers dread. Calling it "professionalism" and saying it's what good developers are supposed to do doesn't help. I'm not sure what the answer is for overcoming this. Dynamic languages help by cutting down on the amount of code. However, it still seems like we need better tools. Perhaps a way to convert a stack trace into a test? Or maybe a repl-to-unit-test generator?

csomar 17y ago

I can agree (and this is not only for GEeks), simply here's why Creating an application is fun, there's no monotony on it, in fact you don't repeat code, if you need it again, you can recall it. Grease ebowl tasks are annoying and boring so no one wants them.