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Hard to argue this, though I really do want it to work here. We're doing a startup in Atlanta and I'm pretty well hooked into what's going on, but some of Paul

Hard to argue this, though I really do want it to work here. We're doing a startup in Atlanta and I'm pretty well hooked into what's going on, but some of Paul's points about the necessary infrastructure (investors mostly) are true enough. I'm just about at the stage where I'm speaking to investors so I'll report back what I find.

chaostheory 19y ago
I used to feel the same way... Atlanta is nice, but you need to live in the Bay Area for a bit and you'll understand. It's a huge difference, especially for software startups
- mattculbreth 19y ago
  Yeah when we were there for Startup School in March we noticed it. Then again we were at the YC reception so it's not really fair to compare (that was really a cool event), but there's a definite vibe in the air. It's almost as if you're doing something wrong if you don't have your Mac with you showing somebody your latest build.
jraines 19y ago
I think the issue is concentration. The ingredients are there, they're just scattered in various ways. 1. Geography: Atlanta is sprawled out, so even if you live near Tech or Emory, odds are you can't skip down to the local coffee shop to get a feel what other startups are doing. 2. The Business Mix: Silicon Valley is tilted heavily toward technology in general and therefore also to startups (at least the kind we're talking about here). In Atlanta your friends and neighbors are likely to be bankers, accountants, healthcare professionals, or any number of corporate types than startup founders or even early-to-medium stage technology employees. 3. The Business Culture: There's little "porosity" among companies -- the knowledge/social network isn't there, and that's probably the most important ingredient of a startup hub, more important than money, IMO. Interestingly, I think this might be an scenario where a YC clone could do the most good -- because as we are always hearing here, its real value is as an aggregator of like-minded people, enabling some of the knowledge interchange and social connections that don't happen naturally.
- lanceweatherby 19y ago
  1. I spent a good deal of time tooling up and down 101. SV and Ess Eff are kinda like Atlanta and Alpharetta. If you walk into the Starbuck's at 5th & Spring on any work day and toss a quarter into the crowd it will land within 5 feet of an entrepreneur, an investor, or both. 2. Great point. Real estate is king in ATL. Read "The Man in Full" for more. 3. I think the social network is here. I literally sit and look at over it every day from my office window.
  - chaostheory 19y ago
    the quantity part maybe true and I could be wrong but I just feel there's not really many of them that are nuts enough... people there are too conventional and practical, which isn't all bad but it's just not as conducive for innovation Atlanta doesn't get many Christopher Klaus's - and they typically leave, while the list goes on and on in valley... the culture in Atlanta is just too different.
    - mattculbreth 19y ago
      What's interesting is that Chris was one of my roomates at Tech in 1993. No, I didn't join him at the time. Ouch.
- carpal 19y ago
  "odds are you can't skip down to the local coffee shop to get a feel what other startups are doing." Just head down to Octane one day. I can guarantee that at least one person there is working on a startup.

chaostheory 19y ago

I used to feel the same way... Atlanta is nice, but you need to live in the Bay Area for a bit and you'll understand. It's a huge difference, especially for software startups

mattculbreth 19y ago
Yeah when we were there for Startup School in March we noticed it. Then again we were at the YC reception so it's not really fair to compare (that was really a cool event), but there's a definite vibe in the air. It's almost as if you're doing something wrong if you don't have your Mac with you showing somebody your latest build.

jraines 19y ago

I think the issue is concentration. The ingredients are there, they're just scattered in various ways. 1. Geography: Atlanta is sprawled out, so even if you live near Tech or Emory, odds are you can't skip down to the local coffee shop to get a feel what other startups are doing. 2. The Business Mix: Silicon Valley is tilted heavily toward technology in general and therefore also to startups (at least the kind we're talking about here). In Atlanta your friends and neighbors are likely to be bankers, accountants, healthcare professionals, or any number of corporate types than startup founders or even early-to-medium stage technology employees. 3. The Business Culture: There's little "porosity" among companies -- the knowledge/social network isn't there, and that's probably the most important ingredient of a startup hub, more important than money, IMO. Interestingly, I think this might be an scenario where a YC clone could do the most good -- because as we are always hearing here, its real value is as an aggregator of like-minded people, enabling some of the knowledge interchange and social connections that don't happen naturally.

lanceweatherby 19y ago
1. I spent a good deal of time tooling up and down 101. SV and Ess Eff are kinda like Atlanta and Alpharetta. If you walk into the Starbuck's at 5th & Spring on any work day and toss a quarter into the crowd it will land within 5 feet of an entrepreneur, an investor, or both. 2. Great point. Real estate is king in ATL. Read "The Man in Full" for more. 3. I think the social network is here. I literally sit and look at over it every day from my office window.
- chaostheory 19y ago
  the quantity part maybe true and I could be wrong but I just feel there's not really many of them that are nuts enough... people there are too conventional and practical, which isn't all bad but it's just not as conducive for innovation Atlanta doesn't get many Christopher Klaus's - and they typically leave, while the list goes on and on in valley... the culture in Atlanta is just too different.
  - mattculbreth 19y ago
    What's interesting is that Chris was one of my roomates at Tech in 1993. No, I didn't join him at the time. Ouch.
carpal 19y ago
"odds are you can't skip down to the local coffee shop to get a feel what other startups are doing." Just head down to Octane one day. I can guarantee that at least one person there is working on a startup.