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Sure. No one is taking Rails away from you. I don't think it's bullshit. There are use cases for each. I think Meteor offers up a good debate about "how we do

Sure. No one is taking Rails away from you. I don't think it's bullshit. There are use cases for each. I think Meteor offers up a good debate about "how we do development these days", and attempts to answer them, albeit early. Meteor is still new, and it's path is currently bumpy. But it tries, and innovation is a wonderful thing, that's what Rails gave us early on. The sad thing about Rails is it largely stagnated for some time while JS M.V.-whatevers sprouted. It couldn't solve realtime application building problems and provided no means for a client side implementation. And for the most part still does (although 4 supports SSEs). You just have to do so much glueing. One more: what about the inherently non-threadsafe nature of rubygems? How will Rails overcome being a threadsafe framework when it's dependancy mechanism has no safety check? I digress. These are solved problems on node, and it's something Rails still stagnates with. My point here is: Rails has issues too, big ones. I can see Meteor either evolving nicely, or fading away. Keep in mind that it already has a growing community and development is backed with solid dollars & a passionate team. I think the author is attempting to elude to the cargo-cult that hit Rails will migrate to Meteor. In time I believe many will. I think both communities will stay strong, and after enough time will begin to look like each other. Rails could learn a thing or two from Meteor. And conversely Meteor the same.

neya 13y ago
Thank you for your peaceful tone (unlike the author's). But I think there are a lot of opinions mixed up with your facts: >The sad thing about Rails is it largely stagnated for some time >You just have to do so much glueing >These are solved problems on node And to be clear, Node is not a 100% perfect platform either. >I think the author is attempting to elude to the cargo-cult that hit Rails will migrate to Meteor. Of all the options available, why Meteor? Like someone on this thread said, it has a lot more evolving to do, to even become on par with rails in the current situation. We're talking about the basic reason why people choose rails: Productivity (Getting stuff done) and getting your product out to the market. I think in this perspective nothing beats rails: rails new blog rails generate scaffold Post title:string text:text rails s How many lines of actual code I have written so far to actually get my basic blog idea up and running? None.
- 1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
  > And to be clear, Node is not a 100% perfect platform either. Absolutely. But as a software piece, I think it can apply itself to the web more easily than Ruby currently can. > Of all the options available, why Meteor? Right, there are plenty of options, MEAN is getting nicely popularized. You also have Derby. > Like someone on this thread said, it has a lot more evolving to do, to even become on par with rails in the current situation. Yea, there's a problem with how much you get for free with Rails (rubygems), and how much utility a framework provides you (AR, generators, etc). Right now those are areas that need improvement, but the community & time will improve those. Re the awesomeness of generators: Yea, meteor doesn't have any, and in all fairness we're talking about something that isn't 1.0, but from a practical point of view: this is an easy task in Meteor and would only take 5-10 lines of code. On something that rails doesn't have is dependency reloading. So imagine a world without `bundle install`. Meteor wants to streamline, it just hasn't gotten all the corner cases yet. It's still early, but it's still got a lot of bang for it's buck. Perhaps some are jumping ship early or just want to get acclimated with new software in it's infancy. I just like both.
  - ezequiel-garzon 13y ago
    What is MEAN? It's particularly hard to Google, even with additional keywords.
    - taude 13y ago
      The Mean Stack: MongoDB, Express JS, AngularJS, and NodeJS [1] [1] http://blog.mongodb.org/post/49262866911/the-mean-stack-mongodb-expressjs-angularjs-and http://blog.mongodb.org/post/49262866911/the-mean-stack-mong...
    - deleted 13y ago
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    - drewsdesign 13y ago
      Mongo, Express, Angular, Node http://www.mean.io/ http://www.mean.io/

neya 13y ago

Thank you for your peaceful tone (unlike the author's). But I think there are a lot of opinions mixed up with your facts: >The sad thing about Rails is it largely stagnated for some time >You just have to do so much glueing >These are solved problems on node And to be clear, Node is not a 100% perfect platform either. >I think the author is attempting to elude to the cargo-cult that hit Rails will migrate to Meteor. Of all the options available, why Meteor? Like someone on this thread said, it has a lot more evolving to do, to even become on par with rails in the current situation. We're talking about the basic reason why people choose rails: Productivity (Getting stuff done) and getting your product out to the market. I think in this perspective nothing beats rails: rails new blog rails generate scaffold Post title:string text:text rails s How many lines of actual code I have written so far to actually get my basic blog idea up and running? None.

1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
> And to be clear, Node is not a 100% perfect platform either. Absolutely. But as a software piece, I think it can apply itself to the web more easily than Ruby currently can. > Of all the options available, why Meteor? Right, there are plenty of options, MEAN is getting nicely popularized. You also have Derby. > Like someone on this thread said, it has a lot more evolving to do, to even become on par with rails in the current situation. Yea, there's a problem with how much you get for free with Rails (rubygems), and how much utility a framework provides you (AR, generators, etc). Right now those are areas that need improvement, but the community & time will improve those. Re the awesomeness of generators: Yea, meteor doesn't have any, and in all fairness we're talking about something that isn't 1.0, but from a practical point of view: this is an easy task in Meteor and would only take 5-10 lines of code. On something that rails doesn't have is dependency reloading. So imagine a world without `bundle install`. Meteor wants to streamline, it just hasn't gotten all the corner cases yet. It's still early, but it's still got a lot of bang for it's buck. Perhaps some are jumping ship early or just want to get acclimated with new software in it's infancy. I just like both.
- ezequiel-garzon 13y ago
  What is MEAN? It's particularly hard to Google, even with additional keywords.
  - taude 13y ago
    The Mean Stack: MongoDB, Express JS, AngularJS, and NodeJS [1] [1] http://blog.mongodb.org/post/49262866911/the-mean-stack-mongodb-expressjs-angularjs-and http://blog.mongodb.org/post/49262866911/the-mean-stack-mong...
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - drewsdesign 13y ago
    Mongo, Express, Angular, Node http://www.mean.io/ http://www.mean.io/