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I think we had enough punch bagging on this.

by gesman 13y ago

InclinedPlane 13y ago
Until it's fixed, until it's worthy of the hard earned money spent on it (which is a considerable sum), no, we haven't had enough. This is government accountability 101.
- ajross 13y ago
  Agreed, as long as the "worthy" bit of your sentence remains the goal. This being an inherently political issue, probably 90% of the people grousing about how badly this works never wanted it to work at all (and probably 95% never would have used it anyway, being employed with existing health care options). But to the extent that there are real people who want to purchase health plans through the federal exchange and can't: yes, this is a disaster and has to be fixed.
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  Wait wait wait. 2 failed wars costing over a trillion dollars, near-economic collapse due to the rollback of financial regulations, and NOW we're holding the government accountable?? Over healthcare.gov? Where the hell was everyone for the last 13 years?
  - InclinedPlane 13y ago
    Pretty sure the public voted a different party into the WH and senate due to some of those issues. Regardless, it's not as though bigger problems make it so that smaller but still very large problems should be ignored. Similarly, one does not need to decide between foreign policy mistakes, nsa wiretaps, and bailouts to be angry about, you can be angry about all of them, and hold government officials responsible for all of them. Besides which, healthcare.gov is a cornerstone of the affordable care act, which is a multi-trillion dollar endeavor.
    - roboneal 13y ago
      The public also voted in a Republican House majority and flipped Ted Kennedy's seat to prevent a filibuster proof Senate majority to essentially prevent Obamacare being implemented without amendments. Yet, it was "deem and passed" and here we are. Power to the people?
      - peterstjohn 13y ago
        And remember when they were so angry at that they voted in the candidate that vowed to repeal Obamacare in the next election. Wait.
        hga 13y ago
        Who was Mr. Romenycare, and prior to the election was notorious for being willing to say anything to get elected? Coming from the "extreme right wing" side of the political spectrum, I assure you that few of us considered any "severely conservative" promise from Hairpiece Q. Motherf----- credible. The eGOP managed to hand us the single worst possible candidate in every way to run against Obamacare.
  - bdcravens 13y ago
    Ah yes. The "that guy failed so bad that my guy gets a free pass". Our bad. Move along people, nothing to see here.
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  - Turing_Machine 13y ago
    Attempting to change the subject isn't going to work with this one. Sorry, it just isn't.
    - toomuchtodo 13y ago
      The outrage rings hollow. It's not changing the subject. The website has major problems. Shocking. Sometimes, we should get out of our engineering bubble; it would put a perspective on things. It'll be fixed, but people will eventually forget about it.
      - Turing_Machine 13y ago
        Yes, it is precisely an attempt to change the subject. The whole "two failed wars...." bit is an attempt to deflect the conversation from the issue at hand. Why not bring up the Teapot Dome Scandal? The Trail of Tears? The Mexican American War? Any number of other examples of Government Fail? What you're trying to do is like a guy getting pulled over for speeding who grouses that the officer should be out catching burglars and muggers. It doesn't work in that situation either, as a rule.
        toomuchtodo 13y ago
        You're free to have your opinion. As an IT professional, I can be dismayed at the rollout, but understand lots of IT projects fail. If this is what it takes to get to single payer eventually, so be it. I expect the road to be bumpy.
        Turing_Machine 13y ago
        My opionion? Fine. Explain why you brought in the "two failed wars" bit if not as an attempt to make this fail look better by comparison. Be specific. If you think this disaster is going to make it easier to "get to single payer", you're dreaming.
        13y ago
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I think we had enough punch bagging on this.

by gesman 13y ago

I think we had enough punch bagging on this.

Until it's fixed, until it's worthy of the hard earned money spent on it (which is a considerable sum), no, we haven't had enough. This is government accountability 101.

ajross 13y ago
Agreed, as long as the "worthy" bit of your sentence remains the goal. This being an inherently political issue, probably 90% of the people grousing about how badly this works never wanted it to work at all (and probably 95% never would have used it anyway, being employed with existing health care options). But to the extent that there are real people who want to purchase health plans through the federal exchange and can't: yes, this is a disaster and has to be fixed.
toomuchtodo 13y ago
Wait wait wait. 2 failed wars costing over a trillion dollars, near-economic collapse due to the rollback of financial regulations, and NOW we're holding the government accountable?? Over healthcare.gov? Where the hell was everyone for the last 13 years?
- InclinedPlane 13y ago
  Pretty sure the public voted a different party into the WH and senate due to some of those issues. Regardless, it's not as though bigger problems make it so that smaller but still very large problems should be ignored. Similarly, one does not need to decide between foreign policy mistakes, nsa wiretaps, and bailouts to be angry about, you can be angry about all of them, and hold government officials responsible for all of them. Besides which, healthcare.gov is a cornerstone of the affordable care act, which is a multi-trillion dollar endeavor.
  - roboneal 13y ago
    The public also voted in a Republican House majority and flipped Ted Kennedy's seat to prevent a filibuster proof Senate majority to essentially prevent Obamacare being implemented without amendments. Yet, it was "deem and passed" and here we are. Power to the people?
    - peterstjohn 13y ago
      And remember when they were so angry at that they voted in the candidate that vowed to repeal Obamacare in the next election. Wait.
      - hga 13y ago
        Who was Mr. Romenycare, and prior to the election was notorious for being willing to say anything to get elected? Coming from the "extreme right wing" side of the political spectrum, I assure you that few of us considered any "severely conservative" promise from Hairpiece Q. Motherf----- credible. The eGOP managed to hand us the single worst possible candidate in every way to run against Obamacare.
- bdcravens 13y ago
  Ah yes. The "that guy failed so bad that my guy gets a free pass". Our bad. Move along people, nothing to see here.
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- Turing_Machine 13y ago
  Attempting to change the subject isn't going to work with this one. Sorry, it just isn't.
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    The outrage rings hollow. It's not changing the subject. The website has major problems. Shocking. Sometimes, we should get out of our engineering bubble; it would put a perspective on things. It'll be fixed, but people will eventually forget about it.
    - Turing_Machine 13y ago
      Yes, it is precisely an attempt to change the subject. The whole "two failed wars...." bit is an attempt to deflect the conversation from the issue at hand. Why not bring up the Teapot Dome Scandal? The Trail of Tears? The Mexican American War? Any number of other examples of Government Fail? What you're trying to do is like a guy getting pulled over for speeding who grouses that the officer should be out catching burglars and muggers. It doesn't work in that situation either, as a rule.
      - toomuchtodo 13y ago
        You're free to have your opinion. As an IT professional, I can be dismayed at the rollout, but understand lots of IT projects fail. If this is what it takes to get to single payer eventually, so be it. I expect the road to be bumpy.
        Turing_Machine 13y ago
        My opionion? Fine. Explain why you brought in the "two failed wars" bit if not as an attempt to make this fail look better by comparison. Be specific. If you think this disaster is going to make it easier to "get to single payer", you're dreaming.
        13y ago

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