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>Unless we're going to count the privilege to be drafted, or murdered, or die on the job with nary a twitch of the feminist diaspora. There's the privilege to

by tedks 13y ago

>Unless we're going to count the privilege to be drafted, or murdered, or die on the job with nary a twitch of the feminist diaspora. There's the privilege to not be raped. Or, the privilege to not be sexually harassed, on the street by strangers, in the office by people you have to see every day, or anywhere else. The privilege to wear clothing that is comfortable and cheap and socially accepted, and to wear that clothing without being judged as having "given up" or being slobbish. There's the privilege to register at a conference without being assumed to be the boyfriend of the co-worker you're at the table getting badges with. There's the privilege to get a job, fellowship, or acceptance to a school without being seen as an "affirmative action" choice who must not be really good enough for whatever position you've obtained. The privilege to speak up for yourself without being called a bitch, and to do so on the Internet without receiving rape threats. The privilege to grow up with a massive and wide variety of role models who are active, dynamic agents enforcing their will on the world, rather than submissive prizes awarded to those who wear down their "resistance" until they submit. It is utterly laughable to suggest that being a man does not come with a huge, incalculable amount of privilege, in any part of the world. It is insane to do so in the technology community, which has been acting to expel what few women attempted to inhabit it (probably not by intention, but certainly by result).

aroch 13y ago
>There's the privilege to not be raped. Now if only it weren't for the fact that the majority of rapes are institutional, ie. in prison, and are committed by women against women. Or the fact that rape laws have been shaped by feminism in a way to make men the only ones capable of raping in an overwhelming majority of sexual encounters -- rape being defined by the likes of the FBI as forced penetration with a penis or object. Or that male rape victims are routinely marginalized in media. Or that the same illegal conduct by a male is "rape" but is only "sexual assualt" when committed by a female. Or the utter disproportionality of punishment for male verse female perpetrators. Or the various "rape shield" laws that allow the accused to be dragged through the mud in the press while "protecting" the accuser, even when the accuser is proven false. Or that women have started to view calling sexual encounters rape as a "get out of trouble free, card. >Or, the privilege to not be sexually harassed, on the street by strangers, in the office by people you have to see every day, or anywhere else. Yes, men are never sexual harassed. Neeeeever. >The privilege to wear clothing that is comfortable and cheap and socially accepted, and to wear that clothing without being judged as having "given up" or being slobbish. Once again, a non-gendered "privilege" >There's the privilege to get a job, fellowship, or acceptance to a school without being seen as an "affirmative action" choice who must not be really good enough for whatever position you've obtained. Having been involved, first hand, on both the applicant and hiring side I've seen the results of forced "equality" in hiring. It rarely increases talent and often harms it. And on and on...Your list is full of tropes that are half truths or ignore the two-sided nature of things. I'm glad the echo-chamber of self-victimization is working out for you though.
QuiteMouse 13y ago
If anything you're being sexist by classifying this as a gender issue rather then a societal issue. Many of the things you listed effect both men and women. Sexual harassment and advances go both ways, for one. And if you speak up as a man you're considered an 'asshole'. No different then a 'bitch'. It's just childish terminology that really shouldn't be tolerated in the workplace to begin with. Women are equal now. Nobody sees hiring a woman as 'affirmative action' they are seen as somebody who will be an asset to the company. Somebody who can earn money. From what I've read recently their pay across the board is the same or better then their male counterparts, but don't quote me on this. You talk like this is the 50s, and it makes me wonder where you live that is so far in the past? In other parts of the world I will admit, being a man still carries a lot of advantages - not so much in the US.

by tedks 13y ago

aroch 13y ago

>There's the privilege to not be raped. Now if only it weren't for the fact that the majority of rapes are institutional, ie. in prison, and are committed by women against women. Or the fact that rape laws have been shaped by feminism in a way to make men the only ones capable of raping in an overwhelming majority of sexual encounters -- rape being defined by the likes of the FBI as forced penetration with a penis or object. Or that male rape victims are routinely marginalized in media. Or that the same illegal conduct by a male is "rape" but is only "sexual assualt" when committed by a female. Or the utter disproportionality of punishment for male verse female perpetrators. Or the various "rape shield" laws that allow the accused to be dragged through the mud in the press while "protecting" the accuser, even when the accuser is proven false. Or that women have started to view calling sexual encounters rape as a "get out of trouble free, card. >Or, the privilege to not be sexually harassed, on the street by strangers, in the office by people you have to see every day, or anywhere else. Yes, men are never sexual harassed. Neeeeever. >The privilege to wear clothing that is comfortable and cheap and socially accepted, and to wear that clothing without being judged as having "given up" or being slobbish. Once again, a non-gendered "privilege" >There's the privilege to get a job, fellowship, or acceptance to a school without being seen as an "affirmative action" choice who must not be really good enough for whatever position you've obtained. Having been involved, first hand, on both the applicant and hiring side I've seen the results of forced "equality" in hiring. It rarely increases talent and often harms it. And on and on...Your list is full of tropes that are half truths or ignore the two-sided nature of things. I'm glad the echo-chamber of self-victimization is working out for you though.

QuiteMouse 13y ago

If anything you're being sexist by classifying this as a gender issue rather then a societal issue. Many of the things you listed effect both men and women. Sexual harassment and advances go both ways, for one. And if you speak up as a man you're considered an 'asshole'. No different then a 'bitch'. It's just childish terminology that really shouldn't be tolerated in the workplace to begin with. Women are equal now. Nobody sees hiring a woman as 'affirmative action' they are seen as somebody who will be an asset to the company. Somebody who can earn money. From what I've read recently their pay across the board is the same or better then their male counterparts, but don't quote me on this. You talk like this is the 50s, and it makes me wonder where you live that is so far in the past? In other parts of the world I will admit, being a man still carries a lot of advantages - not so much in the US.