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I have a strong bias against Apple and this is my number one complaint dishonesty to customers. who cares hardly anyone. I love the no viruses and no malware wi

by baldfat 13y ago

I have a strong bias against Apple and this is my number one complaint dishonesty to customers. who cares hardly anyone. I love the no viruses and no malware with power PC chip was faster than Intel x86 chips.

jamesrom 13y ago
When has Apple ever been dishonest to customers?
- deleted 13y ago
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- kefs 13y ago
  ..only because you asked, but every large multi-national company is essentially the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation
  - jamesrom 13y ago
    None of those cases are about false advertising or dishonesty.
- brymaster 13y ago
  http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02Letter-from-Apple-Regarding-iPhone-4.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02Letter-from-Apple-... > "We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising." > "Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars." People were actually meant to believe that Apple had a software bug for how they calculate signal strength all the way up to the 4th iPhone and instead not scratching AT&T's back making their network look better than it was. You know, this Apple with the futuristic wireless testing facility: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/inside-apples-black-lab-wireless-testing-facilities/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/inside-apples-black-lab-w...
  - jamesrom 13y ago
    So your proof that Apple is dishonest is a letter from Apple being candidly honest about their mistakes?
- hahainternet 13y ago
  Apple lied so badly in the UK they were forced to put an apology message on their homepage with specific wording dictated by a court. So uh, yeah.
  - sbuk 13y ago
    Well, no. They accused Samsung of lying and a judge found in Samsung's favour. Interestingly enough, the very same judge is now "consulting" for Samsung.
    - hahainternet 13y ago
      You read too much AppleInsider. The truth is nothing like that: Sir Robin Jacob said Apple had published "false and misleading" material, and suggested the firm had shown a "lack of integrity" by saying staff would need two weeks to make "minor changes" to the company website. This month the court of appeal ruled against Apple after Samsung complained about a notice Apple posted online acknowledging defeat in a design dispute at the high court. Samsung said Apple had added an account of court proceedings in Germany and the US which was "inaccurate and misleading". http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/nov/09/judge-apple-lack-integrity-samsung http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/nov/09/judge-appl...
      - sbuk 13y ago
        How snide of you. Do you feel clever now? Jacob was the only judge to find this way and, as pointed out, is now in the employ of Samsung. I'd argue that this particular version of the "truth", clearly the one you are choosing over the several that disagree, is highly questionable. Linking a newspaper doesn't make this ruling anymore valid either.
        hahainternet 13y ago
        There's no versions of the truth. Clearly you didn't even bother to read the article: Three judges – Jacob, Lord Justice Longmore and Lord Justice Kitchin – agreed that the statement did not comply with a court order and said Apple should post another statement. On Friday they gave their written reasons. Stop being such a ridiculous fanboy.
- baldfat 13y ago
  I should make a whole wiki :) 1) Mac Color coming in 6 - 12 months (Caused me to not have a new computer for 3 years) 2) NO viruses and NO malware (No OS can ever say that) http://mac-antivirus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/history-of-macintosh-viruses.html http://mac-antivirus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/histo... 3) Power PC fastest CPU in the WORLD (Than Intel CPU 6-7 times faster "who knew") 4) Antenna Gate "Your holding it wrong" 5) iMessage is unreadable by Apple (Proven wrong when reverse engineered) 6) The iPhone and iPod Touch screens (Wow how many times did we see people with destroyed screens over the years) These are just off the top of my head BUT there is so much more. I just would NEVER trust them
sbuk 13y ago
It's called marketing. To address your claims, until very recently, there were very few pieces of malware that directly targeted the Mac platform, unfortunately Java and Flash are gaping holes in this regard. Apple have been slow to fix issue where both are involved. Any others relied totally on social engineering. Regarding viruses, there are still no known viruses in the wild that target OSX. There have been a few developed in "labs" as proof of concept. As to Intel vs PowerPC; It depends on the metric. In raw clock speed, Intel won. Raw clock speed isn't everything though. In floating point operations per second (FLOPS), RISC architecture (PowerPC, and for that matter the ARM processor that powers your Android device) is theoretically more efficient than that of CISC. It can, in some instances, be considered to be faster. I'm sure Apple do "lie" to customers, but they haven't lied about the things you suggest they have lied about. Besides, is it any different to gaming benchmark test to pretend your device is faster than it is in daily use or paying people to say bad things about your competitors online?

by baldfat 13y ago

jamesrom 13y ago

When has Apple ever been dishonest to customers?

deleted 13y ago
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kefs 13y ago
..only because you asked, but every large multi-national company is essentially the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation
- jamesrom 13y ago
  None of those cases are about false advertising or dishonesty.
brymaster 13y ago
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02Letter-from-Apple-Regarding-iPhone-4.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02Letter-from-Apple-... > "We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising." > "Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars." People were actually meant to believe that Apple had a software bug for how they calculate signal strength all the way up to the 4th iPhone and instead not scratching AT&T's back making their network look better than it was. You know, this Apple with the futuristic wireless testing facility: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/inside-apples-black-lab-wireless-testing-facilities/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/inside-apples-black-lab-w...
- jamesrom 13y ago
  So your proof that Apple is dishonest is a letter from Apple being candidly honest about their mistakes?
hahainternet 13y ago
Apple lied so badly in the UK they were forced to put an apology message on their homepage with specific wording dictated by a court. So uh, yeah.
- sbuk 13y ago
  Well, no. They accused Samsung of lying and a judge found in Samsung's favour. Interestingly enough, the very same judge is now "consulting" for Samsung.
  - hahainternet 13y ago
    You read too much AppleInsider. The truth is nothing like that: Sir Robin Jacob said Apple had published "false and misleading" material, and suggested the firm had shown a "lack of integrity" by saying staff would need two weeks to make "minor changes" to the company website. This month the court of appeal ruled against Apple after Samsung complained about a notice Apple posted online acknowledging defeat in a design dispute at the high court. Samsung said Apple had added an account of court proceedings in Germany and the US which was "inaccurate and misleading". http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/nov/09/judge-apple-lack-integrity-samsung http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/nov/09/judge-appl...
    - sbuk 13y ago
      How snide of you. Do you feel clever now? Jacob was the only judge to find this way and, as pointed out, is now in the employ of Samsung. I'd argue that this particular version of the "truth", clearly the one you are choosing over the several that disagree, is highly questionable. Linking a newspaper doesn't make this ruling anymore valid either.
      - hahainternet 13y ago
        There's no versions of the truth. Clearly you didn't even bother to read the article: Three judges – Jacob, Lord Justice Longmore and Lord Justice Kitchin – agreed that the statement did not comply with a court order and said Apple should post another statement. On Friday they gave their written reasons. Stop being such a ridiculous fanboy.
baldfat 13y ago
I should make a whole wiki :) 1) Mac Color coming in 6 - 12 months (Caused me to not have a new computer for 3 years) 2) NO viruses and NO malware (No OS can ever say that) http://mac-antivirus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/history-of-macintosh-viruses.html http://mac-antivirus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/histo... 3) Power PC fastest CPU in the WORLD (Than Intel CPU 6-7 times faster "who knew") 4) Antenna Gate "Your holding it wrong" 5) iMessage is unreadable by Apple (Proven wrong when reverse engineered) 6) The iPhone and iPod Touch screens (Wow how many times did we see people with destroyed screens over the years) These are just off the top of my head BUT there is so much more. I just would NEVER trust them

sbuk 13y ago

It's called marketing. To address your claims, until very recently, there were very few pieces of malware that directly targeted the Mac platform, unfortunately Java and Flash are gaping holes in this regard. Apple have been slow to fix issue where both are involved. Any others relied totally on social engineering. Regarding viruses, there are still no known viruses in the wild that target OSX. There have been a few developed in "labs" as proof of concept. As to Intel vs PowerPC; It depends on the metric. In raw clock speed, Intel won. Raw clock speed isn't everything though. In floating point operations per second (FLOPS), RISC architecture (PowerPC, and for that matter the ARM processor that powers your Android device) is theoretically more efficient than that of CISC. It can, in some instances, be considered to be faster. I'm sure Apple do "lie" to customers, but they haven't lied about the things you suggest they have lied about. Besides, is it any different to gaming benchmark test to pretend your device is faster than it is in daily use or paying people to say bad things about your competitors online?