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> - Abortion is legal as is birth control. s/banning/attempting to ban/ There, fixed it. Do you actually doubt that happens? See Texas in recent national ne
by jlgreco 13y ago
> - Abortion is legal as is birth control.
s/banning/attempting to ban/
There, fixed it.
Do you actually doubt that happens? See Texas in recent national news with abortion. Pushback on Roe vs Wade is unceasing, they have nothing to lose (except their time and money, and they have plenty of both) by hammering away at it, no matter how little ground they gain, so that is exactly what they do.
And if you don't think that young earth creationism is a popular belief in America, then you have obviously been exposed to a very small sliver of American society.
- refurb 13y agoYet most of Europe has far stricter abortion laws than the US. Weird, huh?
- djur 13y agoStricter laws but much better access. If you can get a government-subsidized first-trimester abortion at a nearby clinic, it makes the availability of late-term abortions much less politically contentious. That's not a compromise that's really available in the US, mostly because it would require universal health care first.
- bhauer 13y agoI don't have a strong opinion on abortion. But two replies to refurb's comment and both ignore the matter at hand in order to change the conversation in a new direction. The matter at hand here is whether or not it would be considered breaking the law to abort a fetus, not how that process is financed or whether the population understands that intercourse can lead to pregnancy. And in that matter—legality of abortion—refurb was pointed out that the US is not necessarily less "free" than elsewhere. I think the point still stands.
- bashinator 13y agoMost of Europe also has far more comprehensive sex education and available of birth control than the US, and subsequently far less demand for abortions.
- omonra 13y agoWhite women abortion rate is equivalent to Europe (11 per 1k), Black women abortion rate is 50 (Hispanics as usual are in the middle - 28). Given that sex education & birth control are not distributed by ethnicity, there must be more to it than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#Statistics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#S...
- bashinator 13y agoThat could well be a religions/cultural difference. I would not be surprised if mostly-white parts of the US with poor sex education have higher rates of unplanned births (than Europe), rather than abortions.
- omonra 13y agoI am sure it is a cultural difference - but not wrt abortion but marriage. "In 2011 , 72 percent of all births to black women, 66 percent to American Indian or Alaskan native women, and 53 percent to Hispanic women occurred outside of marriage, compared with 29 percent for white women, and 17 percent for Asian or Pacific Islander women." http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=births-to-unmarried-women http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=births-to-unmarried-w... In the US - 83% of abortions are done by unmarried women (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2506899.html http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2506899.html). So it seems that marriage plays a large role here.
- bashinator 13y agoExcept that marriage rates in Europe are also far lower.
- DanBC 13y agoWait, what? This is the same US that has people making abortion a felony offence and calling it feticide, right? Or that have laws granting rights at the point of inception? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#State-by-state_legal_status https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States#...
- jlgreco 13y agoThere is a single abortion clinic in the state of Mississippi; a state with roughly the population of Wales, but six times the area. Yeah, the Catholic Church has done a number on a few European countries, but nobody here is holding up the state of abortion in Ireland as something that should be aspired to.