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First i want to make clear when i say USA i'm talking about US government and US politicians, not it's people or the US "nation". > is the US for or against
by camus2 13y ago
First i want to make clear when i say USA i'm talking about US government and US politicians, not it's people or the US "nation".
> is the US for or against Islamic extremism?
USA is neither for or against something , USA has interests. If islamic extremists could be manipulated easily , they would be USA's best friends. The truth is they use to be,during the cold war. USA "won" the cold war in Afghanistan by helping the Mujahideen. USA used to back Saddam Hussein , heck , USA used to sell weapons to Iran too. USA has no problem with dictatorships as long as it serves US interests(south america). And it still supports the Saudi regime , which is not very democratic to say the least.
The issue is , you cant act that way abroad and not damage things at home on the long run. That's happening now, all these NSA programs would have been shut down (officialy) if they were exposed 30 years ago. Now most politicians think it's for USA's own good.
IMHO Ben Laden and his crazy folks, won their war against USA somehow. They did not weaken USA with the attack, USA did weaken itself with its response, and exposed itself as hypocrite and not exceptional.
9/11 should have made core US principles stronger , it weakened them. Remember after 9/11 99% of the nations on the earth were behind USA, even most middle eastern countries. Is it still the case today?
Still i dont believe in USA downfall. As a nation, USA has something no other nation has ,the capacity to re-invent itself over and over. That's what will save them, not it's politicians.
- devx 13y ago> USA is neither for or against something , USA has interests Sure, but his point and the point of the author was that they have been hypocritical about it, and making people believe that they are for certain things, such as democracy, and so on. They were very convenient excuses to start attacking other countries. Now they say they are "against terror", while causing themselves terror to many others in Middle East, and creating situations that instead of making US safe, they put it in more danger with their actions. So their points are that the leaking age, is the age where such hypocrisy will have very short lifespan.
- thaumasiotes 13y ago> IMHO Ben Laden and his crazy folks, won their war against USA somehow. They did not weaken USA with the attack, USA did weaken itself with its response, and exposed itself as hypocrite and not exceptional. > 9/11 should have made core US principles stronger , it weakened them. I used to walk off the airplane, there to visit my grandmother, and immediately find her there waiting for me at the gate. Thank god children don't have to go through that anymore. The last time my little sister (then 8) came to visit me, she had been escorted through the airport by a stewardess. Who made some trouble about relinquishing her to me, despite the fact that I had been greeted with "Michael!" and a big hug, because I hadn't thought to bring photo ID.
- derleth 13y agoOsama bin Laden's war aim, which he himself stated, was to get US soldiers out of Saudi Arabia. He's dead, and there are still US soldiers in Saudi Arabia. I'd say he lost. What happened in the US after 9/11 was wrong, but to claim it as a victory for bin Laden is incoherent. Bin Laden never cared what conditions in the US were like.