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How did firefox get development stagnate so badly? We have more workarounds and polyfills for dealing with firefox than we do for dealing with IE now, it is ri

by asdasf 13y ago

How did firefox get development stagnate so badly? We have more workarounds and polyfills for dealing with firefox than we do for dealing with IE now, it is ridiculous.

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sp332 13y ago
Development isn't stagnant. They have releases on a 6-week schedule now, that's why each update is smaller. Because of the more frequent releases, features get released as soon as they're ready instead of waiting months or years for a "major release" like they used to.
- asdasf 13y ago
  I did not suggest the size of any given update, or the schedule they are released at was evidence of stagnation. The fact that firefox is the problem browser now instead of IE is what I pointed to. It is nearly 2014. Firefox still doesn't have html 5 form elements even. Remember making internal use sites and telling people "we're not supporting IE, use firefox"? Now we're doing "we're not supporting firefox, use chrome or IE or your phone".
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  - Yoric 13y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I can remember, Firefox has had HTML 5 forms since Firefox 4 (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Forms_in_HTML?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Web%2FHTML%2FForms_in_HTML https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Form...). What exactly are you talking about?
    - oblio 13y ago
      I think he means these: http://caniuse.com/#search=input http://caniuse.com/#search=input Firefox doesn't support advanced (and more user friendly) input types. Number, color, date/time. At least that's what I'm guessing.
    - asdasf 13y ago
      I am talking about the rest of them. In particular, the most useful ones: date, time, datetime(-local), hell even number is useful and forever missing in firefox.
      - shrikant 13y ago
        The only form elements missing from Firefox (according to http://caniuse.com/forms http://caniuse.com/forms) are the date/time, number and colour input types. IE only partially supports the number input type, and doesn't support the rest. It's hard to believe you have to tell users to use IE over Firefox because of that difference.
        robin_reala 13y ago
        Number is in Aurora, and color in Nightly.
    - recursive 13y ago
      It has some of the elements. It doesn't contain many of them, such as any of the date or time related ones.
  - binaryatrocity 13y ago
    This.... is so not true I don't even know what to say.
driverdan 13y ago
Your wording could have been better but I have to agree with the sentiment that FF is the new IE. There are so many unfixed bugs that have been ignored for years. They just work on edge case new features instead.
- Yoric 13y ago
  Well, that's not true. I, for one, haven't work on any new feature in two years, only on fixing bugs and improving performance or safety. If you have a pet bug that badly needs fixing, though, I can help you get started, if you are interested.
  - driverdan 13y ago
    Thanks for your work. I know there are people like you who work hard on fixing bugs but it seems to be the minority of Mozilla's effort. Here are some open bugs which affect sites I work on, one which was opened in 2000. I don't understand how having a bug open for 13 years is acceptable. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63895 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63895 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688556 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688556 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620691 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620691

by asdasf 13y ago

How did firefox get development stagnate so badly? We have more workarounds and polyfills for dealing with firefox than we do for dealing with IE now, it is ridiculous.

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sp332 13y ago

Development isn't stagnant. They have releases on a 6-week schedule now, that's why each update is smaller. Because of the more frequent releases, features get released as soon as they're ready instead of waiting months or years for a "major release" like they used to.

asdasf 13y ago
I did not suggest the size of any given update, or the schedule they are released at was evidence of stagnation. The fact that firefox is the problem browser now instead of IE is what I pointed to. It is nearly 2014. Firefox still doesn't have html 5 form elements even. Remember making internal use sites and telling people "we're not supporting IE, use firefox"? Now we're doing "we're not supporting firefox, use chrome or IE or your phone".
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- Yoric 13y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I can remember, Firefox has had HTML 5 forms since Firefox 4 (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Forms_in_HTML?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Web%2FHTML%2FForms_in_HTML https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Form...). What exactly are you talking about?
  - oblio 13y ago
    I think he means these: http://caniuse.com/#search=input http://caniuse.com/#search=input Firefox doesn't support advanced (and more user friendly) input types. Number, color, date/time. At least that's what I'm guessing.
  - asdasf 13y ago
    I am talking about the rest of them. In particular, the most useful ones: date, time, datetime(-local), hell even number is useful and forever missing in firefox.
    - shrikant 13y ago
      The only form elements missing from Firefox (according to http://caniuse.com/forms http://caniuse.com/forms) are the date/time, number and colour input types. IE only partially supports the number input type, and doesn't support the rest. It's hard to believe you have to tell users to use IE over Firefox because of that difference.
      - robin_reala 13y ago
        Number is in Aurora, and color in Nightly.
  - recursive 13y ago
    It has some of the elements. It doesn't contain many of them, such as any of the date or time related ones.
- binaryatrocity 13y ago
  This.... is so not true I don't even know what to say.

driverdan 13y ago

Your wording could have been better but I have to agree with the sentiment that FF is the new IE. There are so many unfixed bugs that have been ignored for years. They just work on edge case new features instead.

Yoric 13y ago
Well, that's not true. I, for one, haven't work on any new feature in two years, only on fixing bugs and improving performance or safety. If you have a pet bug that badly needs fixing, though, I can help you get started, if you are interested.
- driverdan 13y ago
  Thanks for your work. I know there are people like you who work hard on fixing bugs but it seems to be the minority of Mozilla's effort. Here are some open bugs which affect sites I work on, one which was opened in 2000. I don't understand how having a bug open for 13 years is acceptable. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63895 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63895 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688556 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688556 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620691 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620691