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I agree this bug is annoying. But Apple censoring it's forums is nothing new. They've been doing it for years. And frankly, most companies do censor their foru

by crag 13y ago

I agree this bug is annoying. But Apple censoring it's forums is nothing new. They've been doing it for years. And frankly, most companies do censor their forums. No one likes it. And Apple is infamous for not responding until an issue reaches the mainstream press. So the best thing anyone can do is reach out to the mainstream press. Get this issue on the evening news programs and trust, it'll be fixed in a couple of days.

Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
It's not "censorship" if it's Apple's own forums. A censor is a _third party_ who acts as an arbiter of what is morally acceptable elsewhere (OED definition: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/censor http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/censor). Apple are entirely within their rights to remove stuff from their own website... even if they're being dicks by doing so.
- Amadou 13y ago
  A censor is a _third party_ The definition you linked to says nothing about 3rd parties, only officials without specifying who they work for. In fact, one of the examples given in that definition is film censors which is within scope here - in the US film censorship is done by the MPAA which is an organization composed of movie studios. Most of the films they censor are produced by their own members. The use of the word censor in this discussion is entirely within the common and technical definitions of the term.
  - LogicX 13y ago
    OT, and sharing only because I learned this week: MPAA ratings are an opt-in guideline and can be ignored by movie theaters. http://variety.com/2013/film/news/new-york-theater-will-admit-teens-to-blue-is-the-warmest-color-1200756514/ http://variety.com/2013/film/news/new-york-theater-will-admi... Though most theaters do abide by the ratings, and therefore movies will continue to modify their content until they get at least an 'R' rating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system#Commercial_viability_of_the_NC-17_rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_...
    - eli 13y ago
      If you want to learn about how bonkers the MPAA ratings process is, check out this documentary: This Film Is Not Yet Rated http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/
  - Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
    Each to their own, but I wouldn't call what the MPAA does "censorship" (to my limited knowledge, that is; I'm not an American). The MPAA issues ratings; it's up to the studio to decide whether to make cuts to a film in order to attain a particular rating. No-one forces the studio to make the cuts (Wikipedia: "The MPAA rating system is a voluntary scheme not enforced by law and films can be exhibited without a rating"). Sure, it might be commercial suicide to issue a film with a particular rating, but the right to free speech != the right to make lots of money.
    - judk 13y ago
      The rating system is only "voluntary" in the sense that the government will decline to impose its own rating system as long as the private one meets the government's goals.

by crag 13y ago

Doctor_Fegg 13y ago

It's not "censorship" if it's Apple's own forums. A censor is a _third party_ who acts as an arbiter of what is morally acceptable elsewhere (OED definition: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/censor http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/censor). Apple are entirely within their rights to remove stuff from their own website... even if they're being dicks by doing so.

Amadou 13y ago
A censor is a _third party_ The definition you linked to says nothing about 3rd parties, only officials without specifying who they work for. In fact, one of the examples given in that definition is film censors which is within scope here - in the US film censorship is done by the MPAA which is an organization composed of movie studios. Most of the films they censor are produced by their own members. The use of the word censor in this discussion is entirely within the common and technical definitions of the term.
- LogicX 13y ago
  OT, and sharing only because I learned this week: MPAA ratings are an opt-in guideline and can be ignored by movie theaters. http://variety.com/2013/film/news/new-york-theater-will-admit-teens-to-blue-is-the-warmest-color-1200756514/ http://variety.com/2013/film/news/new-york-theater-will-admi... Though most theaters do abide by the ratings, and therefore movies will continue to modify their content until they get at least an 'R' rating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America_film_rating_system#Commercial_viability_of_the_NC-17_rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_...
  - eli 13y ago
    If you want to learn about how bonkers the MPAA ratings process is, check out this documentary: This Film Is Not Yet Rated http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/
- Doctor_Fegg 13y ago
  Each to their own, but I wouldn't call what the MPAA does "censorship" (to my limited knowledge, that is; I'm not an American). The MPAA issues ratings; it's up to the studio to decide whether to make cuts to a film in order to attain a particular rating. No-one forces the studio to make the cuts (Wikipedia: "The MPAA rating system is a voluntary scheme not enforced by law and films can be exhibited without a rating"). Sure, it might be commercial suicide to issue a film with a particular rating, but the right to free speech != the right to make lots of money.
  - judk 13y ago
    The rating system is only "voluntary" in the sense that the government will decline to impose its own rating system as long as the private one meets the government's goals.