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There is only one explanation I can think of and I am not sure I believe it myself: Apple fan boys at work?

by annnnd 13y ago

ars 13y ago
I don't think flagging pushes a post down, that would not be in the spirit of how this community was designed. Flagging is just supposed to summon a moderator and that's all.
- dangrossman 13y ago
  Flagging does push a post down the ranks; I've never heard of summoning a moderator. Flags alone can also kill stories entirely if they come before it gains many points. The voting ring detection and flame-war detection code also push a post down the ranks. So, the Lessig post could've been flagged, the comments on it could've triggered the flame war code, or a moderator did it. What almost definitely didn't happen is "Apple fan boys at work" flagging down anything anti-Apple. When you use the flag link any more than extremely sparingly, you lose the privilege, permanently.
- devx 13y ago
  Yes it does, and PG is allowing everyone to have basically an infinite amount of flagging now. It used to be that if you used it more than 10-20 times (maybe in a period of time), you would have the ability removed.
- Zak 13y ago
  Flagging does, in fact push posts down. I believe the amount is proportional to the flagger's karma. Psychologically, the UI seems intended to separate "I don't like this" from "I think this content is detrimental to the site". This communicates that users should not attempt to punish links they simply dislike, but may do so with comments.
Erwin 13y ago
I flagged it because it's just not interesting. Where's the "hacker news" angle? That a company's community representatives should never remove posts? That Lawrence Lessig should somehow enjoy immunity from what they try to uphold? Company screws up some software upgrade, hundreds of uses swam their forums and complain. Who would be served from 100s of threads about the same thing with no solutions? It's generally not "censhorship" unless the government does it. Your speech is not being suppressed by Apple not wanting spam in their forums. It's not some deep conspiracy to drive up Apple stock price. So who really cares? Someone who has not upgraded to the latest iOS and needs WiFi access to drive his life critical system?
- aclevernickname 13y ago
  replying because I'm going to refer to this comment as a prime example of how HN's moderation is going downhill in all future posts. Thanks for the ammo.
- Flimm 13y ago
  If it's not interesting, don't upvote it. Flagging is for worse things than that.
- mistermann 13y ago
  This is pretty brutal and disingenuous IMHO. If this is considered proper justification for flagging this post, I'm not surprised why there's such a positive Apple slant here.

There is only one explanation I can think of and I am not sure I believe it myself: Apple fan boys at work?

by annnnd 13y ago

There is only one explanation I can think of and I am not sure I believe it myself: Apple fan boys at work?

ars 13y ago

I don't think flagging pushes a post down, that would not be in the spirit of how this community was designed. Flagging is just supposed to summon a moderator and that's all.

dangrossman 13y ago
Flagging does push a post down the ranks; I've never heard of summoning a moderator. Flags alone can also kill stories entirely if they come before it gains many points. The voting ring detection and flame-war detection code also push a post down the ranks. So, the Lessig post could've been flagged, the comments on it could've triggered the flame war code, or a moderator did it. What almost definitely didn't happen is "Apple fan boys at work" flagging down anything anti-Apple. When you use the flag link any more than extremely sparingly, you lose the privilege, permanently.
devx 13y ago
Yes it does, and PG is allowing everyone to have basically an infinite amount of flagging now. It used to be that if you used it more than 10-20 times (maybe in a period of time), you would have the ability removed.
Zak 13y ago
Flagging does, in fact push posts down. I believe the amount is proportional to the flagger's karma. Psychologically, the UI seems intended to separate "I don't like this" from "I think this content is detrimental to the site". This communicates that users should not attempt to punish links they simply dislike, but may do so with comments.

Erwin 13y ago

I flagged it because it's just not interesting. Where's the "hacker news" angle? That a company's community representatives should never remove posts? That Lawrence Lessig should somehow enjoy immunity from what they try to uphold? Company screws up some software upgrade, hundreds of uses swam their forums and complain. Who would be served from 100s of threads about the same thing with no solutions? It's generally not "censhorship" unless the government does it. Your speech is not being suppressed by Apple not wanting spam in their forums. It's not some deep conspiracy to drive up Apple stock price. So who really cares? Someone who has not upgraded to the latest iOS and needs WiFi access to drive his life critical system?

aclevernickname 13y ago
replying because I'm going to refer to this comment as a prime example of how HN's moderation is going downhill in all future posts. Thanks for the ammo.
Flimm 13y ago
If it's not interesting, don't upvote it. Flagging is for worse things than that.
mistermann 13y ago
This is pretty brutal and disingenuous IMHO. If this is considered proper justification for flagging this post, I'm not surprised why there's such a positive Apple slant here.