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Lessig's own post is at #78, in spite of 233 points within 17 hours of submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6627331 https://news.ycombinator.com/ite

by r0h1n 13y ago

Lessig's own post is at #78, in spite of 233 points within 17 hours of submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6627331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6627331 Did it drop off the home page so fast, or is it being flagged?

stinos 13y ago
Since we currently have a "225 points, 18 hours ago" on the front page at #20, it's obvious something's going on.
- r0h1n 13y ago
  Are we seeing two different HNs? I see Lessig's post at #80 and 245 points.
  - stinos 13y ago
    Sorry should have been clearer. My point was: the "Winter is coming" post was posted around the same time as Lessig's post, has less points and yet is at #20. How does that happen? Btw, only 15 minutes after your original post, and Lessig's post know is upvoted to 245 points already yet is 2 places down...
    - mattmanser 13y ago
      pg mentioned in a thread about 'where did X MS post go' that posts can trigger flamewar detectors which penalizes the post heavily. It's not a simple votes/age thing.
    - ars 13y ago
      It's not total votes that counts, but rather votes per time. So two posts of the same age and same vote count could be in different places if one has recent votes and the other older votes.
      - dangrossman 13y ago
        PG posted the HN ranking algorithm: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781417 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781417 The time of the votes is not taken into account. The time-based decay is only based on the submission time. A story with the same votes and same submission time will have the same rank regardless of when the votes occurred, all other factors being equal.
lostlogin 13y ago
I might be missing something here - why would people flag it? HN has never struck me as being this petty. Anal retentive, pedantic, and difficult (citation required, sigh). What am I missing?
- annnnd 13y ago
  There is only one explanation I can think of and I am not sure I believe it myself: Apple fan boys at work?
  - ars 13y ago
    I don't think flagging pushes a post down, that would not be in the spirit of how this community was designed. Flagging is just supposed to summon a moderator and that's all.
    - dangrossman 13y ago
      Flagging does push a post down the ranks; I've never heard of summoning a moderator. Flags alone can also kill stories entirely if they come before it gains many points. The voting ring detection and flame-war detection code also push a post down the ranks. So, the Lessig post could've been flagged, the comments on it could've triggered the flame war code, or a moderator did it. What almost definitely didn't happen is "Apple fan boys at work" flagging down anything anti-Apple. When you use the flag link any more than extremely sparingly, you lose the privilege, permanently.
    - devx 13y ago
      Yes it does, and PG is allowing everyone to have basically an infinite amount of flagging now. It used to be that if you used it more than 10-20 times (maybe in a period of time), you would have the ability removed.
    - Zak 13y ago
      Flagging does, in fact push posts down. I believe the amount is proportional to the flagger's karma. Psychologically, the UI seems intended to separate "I don't like this" from "I think this content is detrimental to the site". This communicates that users should not attempt to punish links they simply dislike, but may do so with comments.
simias 13y ago
I think the title is a bit too bait-y and trollish for its own good. I almost flagged it on sight and I'm no Apple fanboy by any measure (the only apple product I've owned in my life was an old iPod). I assume it's a slashdot reference but still.
eli 13y ago
Ugh, enough with the implied conspiracy theories and the meta-discussion about vote mechanics. It's obviously not a very vast conspiracy since we're discussing the story now.
- r0h1n 13y ago
  "Ugh"? You're disgusted?
  - aclevernickname 13y ago
    I don't know why your comment was greyed, but I find it interesting that the poisoning the well [1] in the grandparent was granted a nice black font. [1] http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/141-poisoning-the-well http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallaci...

by r0h1n 13y ago

stinos 13y ago

Since we currently have a "225 points, 18 hours ago" on the front page at #20, it's obvious something's going on.

r0h1n 13y ago
Are we seeing two different HNs? I see Lessig's post at #80 and 245 points.
- stinos 13y ago
  Sorry should have been clearer. My point was: the "Winter is coming" post was posted around the same time as Lessig's post, has less points and yet is at #20. How does that happen? Btw, only 15 minutes after your original post, and Lessig's post know is upvoted to 245 points already yet is 2 places down...
  - mattmanser 13y ago
    pg mentioned in a thread about 'where did X MS post go' that posts can trigger flamewar detectors which penalizes the post heavily. It's not a simple votes/age thing.
  - ars 13y ago
    It's not total votes that counts, but rather votes per time. So two posts of the same age and same vote count could be in different places if one has recent votes and the other older votes.
    - dangrossman 13y ago
      PG posted the HN ranking algorithm: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781417 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781417 The time of the votes is not taken into account. The time-based decay is only based on the submission time. A story with the same votes and same submission time will have the same rank regardless of when the votes occurred, all other factors being equal.

lostlogin 13y ago

I might be missing something here - why would people flag it? HN has never struck me as being this petty. Anal retentive, pedantic, and difficult (citation required, sigh). What am I missing?

annnnd 13y ago
There is only one explanation I can think of and I am not sure I believe it myself: Apple fan boys at work?
- ars 13y ago
  I don't think flagging pushes a post down, that would not be in the spirit of how this community was designed. Flagging is just supposed to summon a moderator and that's all.
  - dangrossman 13y ago
    Flagging does push a post down the ranks; I've never heard of summoning a moderator. Flags alone can also kill stories entirely if they come before it gains many points. The voting ring detection and flame-war detection code also push a post down the ranks. So, the Lessig post could've been flagged, the comments on it could've triggered the flame war code, or a moderator did it. What almost definitely didn't happen is "Apple fan boys at work" flagging down anything anti-Apple. When you use the flag link any more than extremely sparingly, you lose the privilege, permanently.
  - devx 13y ago
    Yes it does, and PG is allowing everyone to have basically an infinite amount of flagging now. It used to be that if you used it more than 10-20 times (maybe in a period of time), you would have the ability removed.
  - Zak 13y ago
    Flagging does, in fact push posts down. I believe the amount is proportional to the flagger's karma. Psychologically, the UI seems intended to separate "I don't like this" from "I think this content is detrimental to the site". This communicates that users should not attempt to punish links they simply dislike, but may do so with comments.

simias 13y ago

I think the title is a bit too bait-y and trollish for its own good. I almost flagged it on sight and I'm no Apple fanboy by any measure (the only apple product I've owned in my life was an old iPod). I assume it's a slashdot reference but still.

eli 13y ago

Ugh, enough with the implied conspiracy theories and the meta-discussion about vote mechanics. It's obviously not a very vast conspiracy since we're discussing the story now.

r0h1n 13y ago
"Ugh"? You're disgusted?
- aclevernickname 13y ago
  I don't know why your comment was greyed, but I find it interesting that the poisoning the well [1] in the grandparent was granted a nice black font. [1] http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/141-poisoning-the-well http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallaci...