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That's good news. I'm not sure which scares me more. Marketers amassing surveillance data or the government. At least with the government, we might reign in th
by logn 13y ago
That's good news.
I'm not sure which scares me more. Marketers amassing surveillance data or the government. At least with the government, we might reign in the practice. Private industry seems to have some blessing from the public to do anything and everything profitable.
- brudgers 13y agoGovernments have an exclusive sanction to employ violence. Private entities do not.
- 001sky 13y agoThis is true, but not really. Governments only have sanction to enforce the law. Anyone can behave illegally or unethically. Increasing your surface area is not street smart. Just the opposite is true. People that live in large cities (and subject to random crime) adopt a strategy of blending in, not one of "sticking out and relying on their lawyers"...
- brudgers 13y ago"Governments only have sanction to enforce the law." Hobbes would disagree [1]. The Sovereign's mandate via the social contract is to maintain peace by absolute means. It is not bound by law only duty. [1] if he was not dead.
- 001sky 13y agoWordsmithing aside[1], that is why the US has a Constitution [2]. Which Hobbes did not live to see. For this we owe the Enlightenment. [1] Promulgate would have also perhaps been a better word. [2] With an effective series of checks & balances, etc.
- uptown 13y agoBlackwater (and other similar entities) would probably disagree.
- quesera 13y agoYou buried your point in pithiness. Blackwater (XO) is acting at the behest of, and on the payroll of, government.
- joelrunyon 13y agoHow do you feel about google still having that data? They're not getting rid of it - they're just selling it now (most likely to the highest bidder).
- thisisnotatest 13y ago> they're just selling it now (most likely to the highest bidder). [citation needed]
- joelrunyon 13y agoThey're still allowing you to access it via adwords (which is very much an auction system). They also have extended analytics for the nice clean price of 150k/year - http://www.google.com/analytics/premium/ http://www.google.com/analytics/premium/
- vdaniuk 13y agoAccess to the automated system for distribution of communication materials is NOT equal for selling data. Thats a common misconception. Also extended analytics do not provide any private data that is not available in the general version of analytics.
- logn 13y agoThe article said they're making some attempt to anonymize the data. Anyhow whether that's wholly true or not, I don't like google having the data either. However, I do get that it's fair on some level since I'm directly using their service and it's been always apparent they monetize it through the data we inherently give them. Where marketing and private intelligence bothers me is when it's not obvious to consumers when they're providing data. And also it's not always expected the ways in which it's used. And in the increasingly interconnected world of marketers selling and sharing data, the full implications won't be realized for some time. edit: Recently it's bothered me more and more that the software world tries to find hidden ways to charge users. It would be like highway construction companies tracking traffic patterns by embedding data sensors in their roads to collect consumer data and while they're at it, share it with the government to win some favors. Or like your carpenter going ahead and embedding sensors into the drywall to collect your data to resell and help them generate more revenue. People have paid for stuff directly for a long time and been happy to. But internet companies have this thirst to get millions of users by offering something for free, gambling investor dollars, and hope it pays off huge (which it occasionally does).