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Dell XPS 15.6" QHD+ (3200x1800)
- storrgie 13y agoWill there be a manufacture that will make: QHD+ (non touch), Intel everything (graphics, NIC), ultrabook body, I5-I7 with at-least 8GB of memory and hit the price point of 1000USD?
- baddox 13y agoNon-touch seems like it's becoming less and less common with Windows laptops. I imagine Microsoft has been pushing pretty hard for it since Windows 8.
- JoshTriplett 13y agoI don't even care about that price point either, I'd just like that feature set, a and mouse buttons. Far too many new laptops are putting in buttonless clickpads, which might work fine if you only need one mouse button but which are unusable if you use three. My ideal laptop would be the ThinkPad 9 Slim (13", 3200x1800), with its TrackPoint, but with actual buttons to go with the TrackPoint. Or, to look at that another way: the X1 Carbon with a 3200x1800 or better screen.
- DSingularity 13y agoProbably not. Intel charges a large premium for its crystal-well parts. Here are tray prices: http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/51802/Crystal-Well http://ark.intel.com/products/codename/51802/Crystal-Well Im sure they get discounts... but how much can it be?
- aggronn 13y agohttps://www.system76.com/laptops/model/daru4 https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/daru4 with the exception of the touch screen, which you can pretend isn't a touchscreen.
- tadfisher 13y agoWhat? 1920x1080 is nowhere near QHD+.
- JoshTriplett 13y agoThat one is only 1080p.
- nubela 13y agoOh just give me one in 13" (Project Sputnik!) and I'm IN!
- Pengwin 13y agoIt seems the 13" has been discounted. (at least in australia) Ive always been thinking of buying one in the back of my mind. Do dell support linux well in the XPS line?
- kcorbitt 13y agoxps 13 hasn't been discontinued; it was refreshed last month at the same time as the XPS 15 shown here. Barton George, the project lead, has confirmed that there will be a follow-on Sputnik coming out sometime in the next month. This (long) thread has the information, especially on the last few pages. http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/f/4613/t/19494844.aspx?pi22229=14 http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/f/46...
- Pengwin 13y agoSorry I said discounted. Thank you for the link. Sadly Australia never saw the edition which shipped with Ubuntu, but I'm fine with that as long as i know the hardware supports it.
- rsanheim 13y agoYeah, but its a Dell laptop. Do they still come covered in Windows stickers and with all sorts of bloatware installed?
- solox3 13y agoDo people similar to you in audience type really run the copy of Windows that comes with their laptops? Or, perhaps, does the ordinary folk/gamer care about bloatware on a laptop this fast, with i5/i7 and 16GB of RAM?
- rsanheim 13y agoPeople in my audience don't buy windows laptops :). If I have to run windows, its in a VM, and only for cross browser testing purposes.
- rayiner 13y agoMy MacBook is littered with source code, and I run the copy of OS X that came on the machine. Futzing with OSes is for kids and a product that requires you to do so is a bad product.
- dman 13y agoThere is exactly one vendor with an OS worth using which builds hardware worth using. The rest of us who are not so lucky to get an integrated offering have to futz around and make do with what we have.
- busterarm 13y agoModern laptops occasionally have lots of add-on hardware that requires the OEM's software to work (3G modem, webcam, thumbreader, occasionally wifi, etc). That might be fine if you're buying a Dell. They're easy to get drivers from. (Though, who else has had to deal with those handful of Dells that required a custom Dell build of the Intel PROSet/Wireless software to work? -.-) But if you bought an ASUS? With the Impossible Website From Hell? HELL NO! Anyone who has had to download a driver or firmware update from their sites will tell you just how unpleasant the experience is (if they can even do it). I swear their webserver's connection to the outside world is a 14.4 modem. Running a non-ADK/OPK'd Windows install on a modern laptop reminds me a lot of running Linux on a laptop or OEM desktop 15-20 years ago. Hey, anyone remember how fun winmodems were? It's just not worth the risk. For me, laptops without Apple branding haven't been a sensible choice in a long time, and there was a good half-decade before that where the only serious manufacturer made ThinkPads.
- RachelF 13y agoNice. Finally some decent Windows notebook screens. Being touch, I guess it is glossy and not matt?
- pswenson 13y agoever try windows with hi-dpi? I did about a year ago, surprisingly flakey. has the situation improved?
- AH4oFVbPT4f8 13y agoAt what resolution does hi-dpi start?
- Groxx 13y agoanything not 1:1 basically. once you start scaling up resources / fonts / reporting pseudo-pixel positions you start running into problems.
- dangrossman 13y agoWhatever you want to call it, I suppose. I don't think the Windows 8+ features are resolution-dependent. There's a new slider in the display control panel that lets you set the scaling factor. Windows 8.1's main change was adding a checkbox that lets you set a different scaling factor for each screen, and you can choose a custom scale, not just 1x/1.5x/2x.
- justanotheratom 13y agoWindows 8.1 claims to have improved support for high DPI: http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Defrag-Tools/Defrag-Tools-62-Windows-81-High-DPI http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Defrag-Tools/Defrag-Tools-62-...
- modeless 13y agoAfter upgrading to 8.1 on my retina mac, I haven't found it much better than 8. Changing the DPI settings still breaks stuff until you logout, plenty of icons are still blurry, IE's support is buggy, and third-party app support is still scarce (e.g. Chrome is a no-go).
- codex 13y agoYes but does it run OS X?
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoI’m pretty sure it runs Crysis. With a pitcher big enough, I bet it will blend. Also, it has wireless and more space than a Nomad.
- Matsta 13y agoWhat I still don't get is how the 30" Cinema Display was released in 2004, and almost 10 years later we still have pretty much the same same resolution screens. I know 4k is slowly hitting the market, but you think about 10 years ago in the mobile world, we were using 84px monochrome screens on our Nokia 3315's. And also why is the price difference between a laptop screen and a desktop screen so massive? You can buy a 4k screen complete with a whole computer for $1500, where a 4k desktop screen is going to cost you almost twice that.
- nwh 13y agoBy the same token, why the hell are $1000 projectors still 800x600?
- daeken 13y agoThey're not. At all. The Optoma HD-25LV goes for under $1200 and does 1080p natively. I have its big brother, the HD-33 (1080p + 3d), and it's fantastic, especially considering that it was only $1700. Projectors have gotten really good and really cheap.
- rdl 13y agoWith projectors, lamp technology hasn't advanced all that much, so brightness is important, and is inverse with resolution.
- markshepard 13y agoquite a few 1080p under 1k. For example the excellent Benq w1070 ..
- onesun 13y agoThe Seikis almost sound too good to be true. I'd try one out in a heartbeat if they'd come down a notch in size to ~27 or 30in so I could actually fit it on my desk. http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00DOPGO2G http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-Digital-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra/d... e- just did the ppi calculation and it only comes out to 113, so probably not what I'd call "retina" quality
- curiousDog 13y agoHope they got the touchpad right. None of the win8 laptops/ultrabooks so far match macbooks.
- jrsnyder 13y agoI have the previous generation aluminum XPS 15 and its trackpad is the best I have used on any PC laptop so far. The laptop is basically a Macbook Pro clone and the trackpad holds its own. It's the solid build of a Macbook Pro minus the (unwanted) Mac experience. The only place it really falls short is battery life. The trick is to disable the gestures in the Synaptic driver and install TwoFingerScroll. Once you do that, the trackpad feels just as smooth as a Macbook.
- general_failure 13y agoThis looks like a good guy! Anyone know about linux support?
- usernew1817 13y agoits an lintel processor with integrated graphics (for base model), shouldn't be a problem
- mixmastamyk 13y agoHas the secure-boot stuff been fully sorted yet?
- usernew1817 13y agooh, that didn't cross my mind, I'm not sure actually
- moloch 13y agoOn most systems it can be disabled in the BIOS; not sure about this exact model.
- JoshTriplett 13y agoUEFI "Secure Boot" is not an issue; you can always turn it off on any x86 system, by design requirement, and several current Linux distributions support booting even with it turned on. On the other hand, "fastboot" can be an issue: many current Windows systems skip the BIOS screen and don't support USB boot, on the assumption that you'll use the Windows option to shut down and boot into BIOS setup. That option doesn't exist in the Windows setup UI those same systems boot up into when you first get them, thus forcing prospective Linux users to disassemble the system and disconnect the disk to trigger BIOS setup. See http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/24869.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/24869.html
- JoshTriplett 13y agoThe base model doesn't have the 3200x1800 screen; the model with that screen only has nVidia graphics, and I don't see any option to customize that, so no. No idea if it works with the nouveau driver or not.
- mischanix 13y agoDell XPS 15.6" QHD+ (Late 2013): 235 dpi 13" rMBP (Late 2012): 226 dpi
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoI don’t see why you’re comparing it to last year’s 13" MacBook Pro. The new 15" MacBook Pro has specs that are very much like this DELL laptop. Same screen size, same resolution. Same SSD, RAM, and GPU. The MBP has a slightly faster CPU, i7 2.3Ghz instead of DELL’s i7 2.2Ghz. The DELL is 10% cheaper.
- mischanix 13y agoThe 15" is slightly less DPI. I was only comparing DPI because, to be honest, every laptop I've ever used that wasn't a Thinkpad or a Macbook has left me wondering whether I should just use pen and paper instead.
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago> The 15" is slightly less DPI. The DELL has a 15.6" screen, the MBP has a 15.4" screen. The screens both have the same resolution and aspect ratio. That means the MBP’s screen has a slightly higher DPI (221 versus 218).
- seunosewa 13y agoThey don't have the same aspect ratio. The Dell is 16:9 while the rMBP is 16:10. They don't have the same resolution either. The rMBP is 2880x1800 while the Dell is 3200x1800.
- busterarm 13y agoI wonder if a $150-savings is worth having to put up with Windows 8. Windows 8 and Valve's upcoming Steambox are the sole reasons I am no longer considering PCs in my upgrade options.
- jhack 13y agoMeanwhile, I still can't buy a 2560x1440 monitor at less than 27". Rediculous.
- thex86 13y agoIf only Lenovo would take notice and see what is happening in the market. I really want a better screen on my Thinkpad with a higher resolution.
- burgesswong4000 13y agoIt would better if Lenovo could provide better screens for the whole laptop product line, including Ideapad and stuff.
- JoshTriplett 13y agoIf you can live with a buttonless clickpad, the ThinkPad 9 Slim is what you want: 13", 3200x1800.
- thex86 13y agoSee martey's comment above.
- JoshTriplett 13y agoThe T440p, T540p, and W540 all have buttonless clickpads too, and the latter two are so huge they have numpads; anything from the W series is Way too heavy anyway. The L and E series are out because I'm looking for a high-end system, and in any case they have buttonless clickpads too.
- martey 13y agoThe upcoming generation of ThinkPads generally has better screens (either higher resolutions or IPS instead of TN) than before. In particular, the W540 is supposed to have an IPS screen with a similar (2880x1620) resolution: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1717 http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1717 http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/ http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/w-series/w540/
- thex86 13y ago
- bhauer 13y agoFor the love of all that is good in the world, please give us this kind of pixel density in large form-factor desktop displays already. I tweet at Dell periodically pleading this case, but it's always crickets. Every time I see a high-DPI portable device, I long for my preferred consumption and creation context (desktop) to get some needed love from manufacturers. (Yes, my wife has a Seiki 4K and I have several 30" 2560x1600 monitors, but I want better. The 30" form-factor is from 2004! These displays are the equivalent of a Motorola RAZR flip-phone.) Edit: see my spur-of-the-moment review of the Seiki lower in this thread at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6631442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6631442
- lead99 13y agoI couldn't agree more. 1920x1080 is more than enough on mobile phones and I don't use tablets or laptops so I don't care about them. Where are the 23" (give or take a few inches is fine) 4k displays? Thats what we really need, a high ppi screen for something I stare into for hours a day.
- rdl 13y agoWhy is the M6800 not more awesome? 17" 1080p, only.
- detay 13y agoNever an XPS, again. Ever. XPS is the short name of Dell misunderstanding gaming laptop.
- mixmastamyk 13y agoWould be nice if this became their Linux dev box, and they had an external monitor to match.
- jervisfm 13y agoDoes anyone have any experience using hi-res screens with linux? If so, what are the issues, if any ? Is there a distro that has really good support for these kinds of displays? I know the laptop comes with Win 8.1 which supposedly has decent hi-res screen support but if you wanted to wipe windows and put a Linux distro, which one would be best?
- kunai 13y agoGNOME 3.10, as another poster said, is absolutely fantastic with high-DPI screens, and looks fantastic. The scaling is finally down. Only works with GTK at the moment, but if you're using GNOME shell, you probably are only mainly using GTK apps anyway.
- JoshTriplett 13y agoGNOME 3.10 has great support for high-DPI displays. Non-toolkit fixed-size apps will tend to look small, but any modern app will look great.
- ChuckMcM 13y agoI appreciate the DPI wars coming to laptops, next up is monitors. I'm friends with the owner of a local computer store chain and he says he sells 100 "low dpi" (aka 1080p) screens for every higher dpi screen. It doesn't make sense for him to stock them at those rates, and the cost difference is quite high because the 1080p screens are basically cheap TV glass rather than non-volume computer glass. (same issue with getting a 1920 x 1200 screen). I've ordered a couple of the Asus 4K screens from him to try out but man $3500 (4K) vs $350 (1920 x 1200) vs $150 (1920 x 1080). That doesn't sound like a sustainable market to me.
- Pxtl 13y agoI'm really excited to ser Dell pursue this new direction instead of lowest-common-denominator.
- MetaCosm 13y agoI really wish some of these high resolution laptops came with equivalent high end video cards to drive that resolution ... shipping with a 750m rather than the 780m seems nuts, it is 2 to 3 times slower and when you got 5.5+ million pixels to drive...
- DuskStar 13y agoThe 780m is a huge power draw. It's basically a minorly downclocked GTX 680, with all of the performance (and heat) that implies. It's estimated to draw 122W at maximum, for crying out loud! It probably won't be fitting in a .7" laptop anytime soon. Aside from that... This laptop isn't intended for gaming. Honestly, I'd think that if Intel HD graphics can drive an rMBP display, then the 750m will suffice for this. Though I would love to see QHD+ come to some of the gaming laptop lines...
- Gambit89 13y agoThis is an otherwise good choice that I'd consider for my next laptop if it wasn't for no dedicated Home/End and Page Up/Down buttons.