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Sounds similar to http://www.openwlanmap.org http://www.openwlanmap.org. While OWM only collects WiFi APs, Mozilla also collects cell towers. Still, I couldn't

by hendi_ 13y ago

Sounds similar to http://www.openwlanmap.org http://www.openwlanmap.org. While OWM only collects WiFi APs, Mozilla also collects cell towers. Still, I couldn't find anything about whether Mozilla collaborated with these guys or not.

cpeterso 13y ago
We've reached out to some other wifi mapping projects like OpenWLANMap, OpenCellID, and WiGLE. None of them collected all the data we were looking for and their databases are published with different data licenses that may not be compatible.
- Maxious 13y ago
  What about http://openbmap.org/ http://openbmap.org/ Open Database License (ODbL) and (last time I tried) you can download the raw data XML submitted by each user in the footer of that page
  - cpeterso 13y ago
    We've talked to openBmap and their data is interesting, but we're still figuring out data license compatibility.
- mlinksva 13y ago
  Interesting, I see these and a few others listed at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location/Bootstrap https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location/Bootstrap (all one of copyleft, (non)commercial, or unknown). While https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location#Goals https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location#Goals says "Make as much of the data as possible available under permissive open licenses." Assuming permissive means what it usually does, the above clearly aren't compatible. Curious what permissive licenses will be used, when data will be available.
  - cpeterso 13y ago
    One of our original project goals was to publish an open, downloadable database. Some smaller geolocation projects have downloadable databases, but Mozilla's legal and privacy teams were not ready to take that step yet. Geolocation is a very sensitive privacy issue for "stumbler" users, WiFi access point owners, and end users. Once you publish data, it's hard to take it back. <:) For now, we're just hosting a public API. You can read some early ideas for obscuring access point identities (using hashes of one or more MAC addresses) on the mozilla.dev.security newsgroup: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security/0qT0grS_PIY https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security... You can read some of the Mozilla discussion about data licenses on Bugzilla: https://bugzil.la/911306 https://bugzil.la/911306

by hendi_ 13y ago

cpeterso 13y ago

We've reached out to some other wifi mapping projects like OpenWLANMap, OpenCellID, and WiGLE. None of them collected all the data we were looking for and their databases are published with different data licenses that may not be compatible.

Maxious 13y ago
What about http://openbmap.org/ http://openbmap.org/ Open Database License (ODbL) and (last time I tried) you can download the raw data XML submitted by each user in the footer of that page
- cpeterso 13y ago
  We've talked to openBmap and their data is interesting, but we're still figuring out data license compatibility.
mlinksva 13y ago
Interesting, I see these and a few others listed at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location/Bootstrap https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location/Bootstrap (all one of copyleft, (non)commercial, or unknown). While https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location#Goals https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Location#Goals says "Make as much of the data as possible available under permissive open licenses." Assuming permissive means what it usually does, the above clearly aren't compatible. Curious what permissive licenses will be used, when data will be available.
- cpeterso 13y ago
  One of our original project goals was to publish an open, downloadable database. Some smaller geolocation projects have downloadable databases, but Mozilla's legal and privacy teams were not ready to take that step yet. Geolocation is a very sensitive privacy issue for "stumbler" users, WiFi access point owners, and end users. Once you publish data, it's hard to take it back. <:) For now, we're just hosting a public API. You can read some early ideas for obscuring access point identities (using hashes of one or more MAC addresses) on the mozilla.dev.security newsgroup: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security/0qT0grS_PIY https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security... You can read some of the Mozilla discussion about data licenses on Bugzilla: https://bugzil.la/911306 https://bugzil.la/911306