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If we are assuming a shadowy organization of conspirators, the lead conspirators don't have to be in the plane themselves. The idea that the CIA, able to find

by jlgreco 13y ago

If we are assuming a shadowy organization of conspirators, the lead conspirators don't have to be in the plane themselves. The idea that the CIA, able to find people that are willing to remotely fly a plane into a building full of people, cannot find somebody willing to actually get onto that plane with some box cutters (or barring that, cannot coerce somebody into doing that) is silly. Hell, they could keep it simply and just find some radical muslims to do it... Remotely controlled planes are needlessly complex with too many opportunities for failure or discovery. Any weirdness surrounding the planes and their alleged passengers is far better explained by "reality is weird". Furthermore, that weirdness isn't resolved by "empty planes" since you are now supposing that the conspirators introduced those weirdnesses while inventing fake passengers. Why would they do that? Is that them tipping their hand to the conspiracy theorists?

dllthomas 13y ago
Remotely controlled planes is done all the time. I don't see how that's got a significantly greater chance of failure or discovery. It also potentially reduces the number of people needing to be involved.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  The problem isn't remotely controlling the plane. The problem is all the problems not actually doing it introduces. You now have more, many more, people that need to be involved because you now need to fake grieving families for 246 different dead people who never died (or never existed, depending on who you ask). You also need to ensure that nobody notices missing drone'd 757s (or worse, make sure that nobody notices the planes weren't 757s...), you need to ensure that nobody notices the planes are empty, and need to somehow get those empty planes into the airlines systems without anyone becoming suspicious of that, or trying to sell tickets for them. On top of all of that, you then still have a few live pilots who are witnesses you wouldn't have to otherwise worry about. It is simpler to just find a few lackies to actually do it.
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    Oh, right, missed the "empty plane" in your original. I agree that would be far more difficult. "Spooks crashing plane by suicide" vs. "spooks crashing plane by remote" don't seem too radically different in likelihood. "There weren't actually planes full of people" is unlikely even compared to these. None of these, I should note, seem terribly likely.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Aye, rigging a real plane with a real schedule to be remote controlled would make a great deal more sense.

by jlgreco 13y ago

dllthomas 13y ago

Remotely controlled planes is done all the time. I don't see how that's got a significantly greater chance of failure or discovery. It also potentially reduces the number of people needing to be involved.

jlgreco 13y ago
The problem isn't remotely controlling the plane. The problem is all the problems not actually doing it introduces. You now have more, many more, people that need to be involved because you now need to fake grieving families for 246 different dead people who never died (or never existed, depending on who you ask). You also need to ensure that nobody notices missing drone'd 757s (or worse, make sure that nobody notices the planes weren't 757s...), you need to ensure that nobody notices the planes are empty, and need to somehow get those empty planes into the airlines systems without anyone becoming suspicious of that, or trying to sell tickets for them. On top of all of that, you then still have a few live pilots who are witnesses you wouldn't have to otherwise worry about. It is simpler to just find a few lackies to actually do it.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Oh, right, missed the "empty plane" in your original. I agree that would be far more difficult. "Spooks crashing plane by suicide" vs. "spooks crashing plane by remote" don't seem too radically different in likelihood. "There weren't actually planes full of people" is unlikely even compared to these. None of these, I should note, seem terribly likely.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Aye, rigging a real plane with a real schedule to be remote controlled would make a great deal more sense.