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Most things in the biological sciences are correlations, to be as precise as we are in the sciences, you have to point out that some relationship is correlation

Most things in the biological sciences are correlations, to be as precise as we are in the sciences, you have to point out that some relationship is correlational unless you specifically test for causation (which is unfeasible in most cases)...if you assume causation, even when there seems to be very little doubt as to the causative agent, your paper is going to get sent back to you by the reviewers (in most cases). Add to that the fact that recommendations are based on erring on the side of caution, and that tight correlations do become predictors of an outcome, then you have a recipe for these recommendations. Nothing bad is going to happen by reducing saturated fat intake, for the most part, but there is a chance of it if intake is excessive, and in fact saturated fat intake is a fairly strong predictor of future heart incidents.

wwweston 13y ago
> Nothing bad is going to happen by reducing saturated fat intake From what I've read, it depends on what you eat instead. For example, as the article says: "a JAMA study revealed that a 'low fat' diet showed the greatest decrease in energy expenditure, an unhealthy lipid pattern, and increased insulin resistance (a precursor to diabetes) compared with a low carbohydrate and low glycaemic index (GI) diet."
- Volpe 13y ago
  Insulin resistance is caused by sugar intake (completely unrelated to cholesterol)... Arguing that in order to lower cholesterol you have to consume more sugar seems rather strange.
  - tolmasky 13y ago
    Although individuals did not consciously decide to replace fat with sugar in their diets, the reality is that this policy advisement lead food producers to reduce fat in their products and replace that fat with sugar -- so the practical result was indeed this. Most products that advertise low-fat have accomplished this with sugar. Sure, it didn't have to happen this way, but thats irrelevant because it did happen this way: their was public policy that labeled fat as the bad guy, fat was reduced (sugar increased), and these actions were applauded.
    - Volpe 13y ago
      But I've seen no evidence that, that is what happened. There doesn't seem to be a logical reason as to why you'd need to increase sugar in order to lower cholesterol, so why would companies do that? Can you point to an example food(s) that had high fat, and low sugar, and then after this policy, low fat, and high sugar... ?
      - mistermann 13y ago
        Yogurt is one. I don't know about the previous sugar levels, but it is extremely difficult to find anything other than low or no fat yogurt, and they typically have what I consider to be very high sugar levels, even many brands of plain yogurt.
        secabeen 13y ago
        We've had good luck with Brown Cow, if you can find that in your market. However, it still pales in comparison to the full-fat yogurts you get in Europe.
      - malkia 13y ago
        Maybe to make the food still tasty. Go to your local store - check all low-fat, 2%-enters, etc. and then full milk - check the sugar content percentage. That's all... At least here in US, Los Angeles - usually it's the normal yogurt/milk (e.g. hihg-fat) that has lower sugary content (percentage-wise) than the rest. Sometimes it's quite significantly lower. And I don't know how the whole craze about non-plain yogurt came. I'm bulgarian native, and it's "foreign" to me that yogurt is mixed with any sugar at all. It's still yummy - you can mix it equal portions with water, shake it well - and you get a very good drink. Or make this cold soup - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarator Or just eat it like this. No need for sugar...
        Crake 13y ago
        I'm American and it took me until last year to learn that yogurt isn't sweet by default. 95% of the grocery store offerings are the sugary kind, and that's all I was ever exposed to as a kid, so I never noticed it. I spent years thinking I hated yogurt only to eventually discover that the unsweetened kind is really delicious. D:
  - elrzn 13y ago
    How is that? My understanding is that lipid oxidation promotes insulin resistance itself. If anything, and under the right dosage, sugar is protective.

wwweston 13y ago

> Nothing bad is going to happen by reducing saturated fat intake From what I've read, it depends on what you eat instead. For example, as the article says: "a JAMA study revealed that a 'low fat' diet showed the greatest decrease in energy expenditure, an unhealthy lipid pattern, and increased insulin resistance (a precursor to diabetes) compared with a low carbohydrate and low glycaemic index (GI) diet."

Volpe 13y ago
Insulin resistance is caused by sugar intake (completely unrelated to cholesterol)... Arguing that in order to lower cholesterol you have to consume more sugar seems rather strange.
- tolmasky 13y ago
  Although individuals did not consciously decide to replace fat with sugar in their diets, the reality is that this policy advisement lead food producers to reduce fat in their products and replace that fat with sugar -- so the practical result was indeed this. Most products that advertise low-fat have accomplished this with sugar. Sure, it didn't have to happen this way, but thats irrelevant because it did happen this way: their was public policy that labeled fat as the bad guy, fat was reduced (sugar increased), and these actions were applauded.
  - Volpe 13y ago
    But I've seen no evidence that, that is what happened. There doesn't seem to be a logical reason as to why you'd need to increase sugar in order to lower cholesterol, so why would companies do that? Can you point to an example food(s) that had high fat, and low sugar, and then after this policy, low fat, and high sugar... ?
    - mistermann 13y ago
      Yogurt is one. I don't know about the previous sugar levels, but it is extremely difficult to find anything other than low or no fat yogurt, and they typically have what I consider to be very high sugar levels, even many brands of plain yogurt.
      - secabeen 13y ago
        We've had good luck with Brown Cow, if you can find that in your market. However, it still pales in comparison to the full-fat yogurts you get in Europe.
    - malkia 13y ago
      Maybe to make the food still tasty. Go to your local store - check all low-fat, 2%-enters, etc. and then full milk - check the sugar content percentage. That's all... At least here in US, Los Angeles - usually it's the normal yogurt/milk (e.g. hihg-fat) that has lower sugary content (percentage-wise) than the rest. Sometimes it's quite significantly lower. And I don't know how the whole craze about non-plain yogurt came. I'm bulgarian native, and it's "foreign" to me that yogurt is mixed with any sugar at all. It's still yummy - you can mix it equal portions with water, shake it well - and you get a very good drink. Or make this cold soup - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarator Or just eat it like this. No need for sugar...
      - Crake 13y ago
        I'm American and it took me until last year to learn that yogurt isn't sweet by default. 95% of the grocery store offerings are the sugary kind, and that's all I was ever exposed to as a kid, so I never noticed it. I spent years thinking I hated yogurt only to eventually discover that the unsweetened kind is really delicious. D:
- elrzn 13y ago
  How is that? My understanding is that lipid oxidation promotes insulin resistance itself. If anything, and under the right dosage, sugar is protective.