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Typical argument. Obama knows nothing if there's any possibility that it could harm him. How many times will they use this argument. Ultimately, he's command

Typical argument. Obama knows nothing if there's any possibility that it could harm him. How many times will they use this argument. Ultimately, he's commander in chief, and if we use the same approach as applied against Bush, then Obama is responsible.

protomyth 13y ago
Steve Jobs said it pretty well for corporate VPs, it probably should apply to the President: One such lesson could be called the "Difference Between the Janitor and the Vice President," and it's a sermon Jobs delivers every time an executive reaches the VP level. Jobs imagines his garbage regularly not being emptied in his office, and when he asks the janitor why, he gets an excuse: The locks have been changed, and the janitor doesn't have a key. This is an acceptable excuse coming from someone who empties trash bins for a living. The janitor gets to explain why something went wrong. Senior people do not. "When you're the janitor," Jobs has repeatedly told incoming VPs, "reasons matter." He continues: "Somewhere between the janitor and the CEO, reasons stop mattering." That "Rubicon," he has said, "is crossed when you become a VP." http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/25/how-apple-works-inside-the-worlds-biggest-startup/ http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/25/how-apple-works-insid...
- aaronbrethorst 13y ago
  http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm
saraid216 13y ago
> Ultimately, he's commander in chief Wrong title. He's responsible as the chief executive, not as the commander-in-chief, which refers to his civilian authority over the military. And yes, Obama is responsible for this. He said as much during the 2012 debates.
- dantheman 13y ago
  NSA is part of the DOD
  - saraid216 13y ago
    The military of the United States consists of five distinct branches: the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, and the Coast Guard. Neither the DOD nor the NSA actually belong as a subordinate of any of these individual branches. Indeed, the DOD's purpose is, in effect, to pull these disparate commands into a single point of control for civilian authority. The NSA is subordinate to the DOD as part of the DOD's directive as a component of national defense, but it is separate from the military and Obama's derived responsibility for their actions comes from his leadership as a civilian over other civilians, not from his leadership as a civilian over military personnel.

protomyth 13y ago

Steve Jobs said it pretty well for corporate VPs, it probably should apply to the President: One such lesson could be called the "Difference Between the Janitor and the Vice President," and it's a sermon Jobs delivers every time an executive reaches the VP level. Jobs imagines his garbage regularly not being emptied in his office, and when he asks the janitor why, he gets an excuse: The locks have been changed, and the janitor doesn't have a key. This is an acceptable excuse coming from someone who empties trash bins for a living. The janitor gets to explain why something went wrong. Senior people do not. "When you're the janitor," Jobs has repeatedly told incoming VPs, "reasons matter." He continues: "Somewhere between the janitor and the CEO, reasons stop mattering." That "Rubicon," he has said, "is crossed when you become a VP." http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/25/how-apple-works-inside-the-worlds-biggest-startup/ http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/25/how-apple-works-insid...

aaronbrethorst 13y ago
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm

saraid216 13y ago

> Ultimately, he's commander in chief Wrong title. He's responsible as the chief executive, not as the commander-in-chief, which refers to his civilian authority over the military. And yes, Obama is responsible for this. He said as much during the 2012 debates.

dantheman 13y ago
NSA is part of the DOD
- saraid216 13y ago
  The military of the United States consists of five distinct branches: the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, and the Coast Guard. Neither the DOD nor the NSA actually belong as a subordinate of any of these individual branches. Indeed, the DOD's purpose is, in effect, to pull these disparate commands into a single point of control for civilian authority. The NSA is subordinate to the DOD as part of the DOD's directive as a component of national defense, but it is separate from the military and Obama's derived responsibility for their actions comes from his leadership as a civilian over other civilians, not from his leadership as a civilian over military personnel.