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That's nice. And I have completely unmixed feelings from reading you and the other genius commenters here and in the other thread about how you are somehow thre

by logjam 13y ago

That's nice. And I have completely unmixed feelings from reading you and the other genius commenters here and in the other thread about how you are somehow threatened by his simple encouragement of underrepresented minorities in a technical field. Unlike you I'll actually tell you what my feelings are about the entrenched misogyny, racism, and sexism tolerated by so many white anglo saxon males in the tech world: complete disgust and contempt.

lectrick 13y ago
I randomly returned to this conversation and boy are there a lot of assholes here who commented after I left. I think I'm more on your side now. I like to think I'm a nice guy, but there's clearly a lot to learn... and to teach to other guys.
bpwalker 13y ago
Unfortunately I don't have enough points to downvote this so I'll just have to speak up. > entrenched misogyny, racism, and sexism tolerated by so many white anglo saxon. During my 15 years, as a white anglo saxon male, working at 8 companies of various size across Canada I have never met a man who hates women. Over the last say 10 years I have always been the minority by race and have reported women 40% of the time. It would be nice to have more women in IT (yes please!), but the crap you just spewed must not represent all of IT around the world. I don't have an appreciation for the intro. I think it detracts from an otherwise great blog post. And I think it's ok for people to have mixed feelings about it too.
vezzy-fnord 13y ago
Putting a "simple encouragement" in a technical tutorial like that is at the very least a non sequitur and detracts from the reading experience. That's not to say educational material should be dry and without humor, but this is simply pure agenda.
- nosefrog 13y ago
  And I fail to see anything out of order with the agenda, "encourage women to program".
  - vezzy-fnord 13y ago
    There isn't. There's nothing wrong with the agenda of promoting healthy eating habits, either. However it's not a good idea to preface a technical article about food processing with it.
lectrick 13y ago
You seem very (and rather irrationally) upset, so instead of responding I will just give you a (completely ulterior-motive-free) e-hug from an anglo saxon male who has so far been nearly universally told he is the "nicest guy ever" as well as the "best boyfriend ever". That said, I once got in trouble with a female superior for using the word "wench" in casual conversation. I think that's a bit extreme, but that's just me. Skins have various thicknesses when it comes to these things. I didn't mean anything malicious by what I said. I just felt browbeaten, that is all.

by logjam 13y ago

lectrick 13y ago

I randomly returned to this conversation and boy are there a lot of assholes here who commented after I left. I think I'm more on your side now. I like to think I'm a nice guy, but there's clearly a lot to learn... and to teach to other guys.

bpwalker 13y ago

Unfortunately I don't have enough points to downvote this so I'll just have to speak up. > entrenched misogyny, racism, and sexism tolerated by so many white anglo saxon. During my 15 years, as a white anglo saxon male, working at 8 companies of various size across Canada I have never met a man who hates women. Over the last say 10 years I have always been the minority by race and have reported women 40% of the time. It would be nice to have more women in IT (yes please!), but the crap you just spewed must not represent all of IT around the world. I don't have an appreciation for the intro. I think it detracts from an otherwise great blog post. And I think it's ok for people to have mixed feelings about it too.

vezzy-fnord 13y ago

Putting a "simple encouragement" in a technical tutorial like that is at the very least a non sequitur and detracts from the reading experience. That's not to say educational material should be dry and without humor, but this is simply pure agenda.

nosefrog 13y ago
And I fail to see anything out of order with the agenda, "encourage women to program".
- vezzy-fnord 13y ago
  There isn't. There's nothing wrong with the agenda of promoting healthy eating habits, either. However it's not a good idea to preface a technical article about food processing with it.

lectrick 13y ago

You seem very (and rather irrationally) upset, so instead of responding I will just give you a (completely ulterior-motive-free) e-hug from an anglo saxon male who has so far been nearly universally told he is the "nicest guy ever" as well as the "best boyfriend ever". That said, I once got in trouble with a female superior for using the word "wench" in casual conversation. I think that's a bit extreme, but that's just me. Skins have various thicknesses when it comes to these things. I didn't mean anything malicious by what I said. I just felt browbeaten, that is all.