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"Finally Start Using"?? If you're waiting for all browsers to implement these CSS3 features correctly, you'll end up never using them. For example, CSS animat

by bbx 13y ago

"Finally Start Using"?? If you're waiting for all browsers to implement these CSS3 features correctly, you'll end up never using them. For example, CSS animations have been around for at least 2 years. Only Firefox and Webkit browsers supported them and you had to rely on vendor-prefixed properties, but animations were exciting enough for me to start experimenting with them as soon as I could. There is permanent rant towards "fancy" CSS3 features that haven't reached a "W3C standard" status yet. But a website experience doesn't need to be visually consistent across browsers. If you're using a plain hexadecimal color code as a replacement for rgba, it's ok. If your intro is animated in Chrome but not IE, it's ok too. If your last paragraph has a margin that the pseudo-element :last-child should have canceled, it's ok as well. Front-End developers have waited more than a decade for CSS improvements. You can't wait for a unified browser environment to start implementing them. I'm surprised by this article's tone, as if today, suddenly, everything changed. No way: browser support is a permanent process. Don't wait for that perfect day because it will never come. Just start having fun with CSS3 while providing a decent experience for IE (the main culprit).

richbradshaw 13y ago
Did you say 2 years? Make that 4 and a half: https://www.webkit.org/blog/324/css-animation-2/ https://www.webkit.org/blog/324/css-animation-2/
EnderMB 13y ago
It's entirely down to the kind of projects you're working on. Most of my work experience is with agencies, so I've had a good mix of clients with new and legacy clients. Some industries have a large number of legacy users, whereas with some clients it's strange to see any IE, let alone an older version like IE7-8. A client I worked on a year ago had around 20% of users on IE6-7, and these were users in the UK and not in China or Russia. The explanation given by the client (who spend a lot of money on web analytics) was that many of their users were business-based, and a lot of companies in the UK are restricted to IE6-7 and Windows XP due to internal web software. I used to be of the opinion that developers should support older browsers, and should gracefully degrade when used on legacy browsers. I think this was probably because I thought that things would change after a few years. Four to five years later, and IE7 (and IE8) are still a problem, and since corporate users won't get off of XP for a few more years I think enough is enough. I am happy to support older browsers when there is a business case for supporting them (i.e. there is an existing user base stuck on these browsers), but if you're working on a new project then IE9 should always be the minimum, and degraded view.

by bbx 13y ago

richbradshaw 13y ago

Did you say 2 years? Make that 4 and a half: https://www.webkit.org/blog/324/css-animation-2/ https://www.webkit.org/blog/324/css-animation-2/

EnderMB 13y ago

It's entirely down to the kind of projects you're working on. Most of my work experience is with agencies, so I've had a good mix of clients with new and legacy clients. Some industries have a large number of legacy users, whereas with some clients it's strange to see any IE, let alone an older version like IE7-8. A client I worked on a year ago had around 20% of users on IE6-7, and these were users in the UK and not in China or Russia. The explanation given by the client (who spend a lot of money on web analytics) was that many of their users were business-based, and a lot of companies in the UK are restricted to IE6-7 and Windows XP due to internal web software. I used to be of the opinion that developers should support older browsers, and should gracefully degrade when used on legacy browsers. I think this was probably because I thought that things would change after a few years. Four to five years later, and IE7 (and IE8) are still a problem, and since corporate users won't get off of XP for a few more years I think enough is enough. I am happy to support older browsers when there is a business case for supporting them (i.e. there is an existing user base stuck on these browsers), but if you're working on a new project then IE9 should always be the minimum, and degraded view.