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Only take bupenorpine if you are really addicted to heroine. Doctors who prescribe for opiate addiction are allowed only 100 patients. They(Doctors) will dr

Only take bupenorpine if you are really addicted to heroine. Doctors who prescribe for opiate addiction are allowed only 100 patients. They(Doctors) will drag you in for needless expensive visits. I say only if you are really addicted to opiates, because I see people switching to this drug because they "think" they are addicted. The drug is not something you want to get addicted too. If you do end up on this drug, try to find a doctor who's not trying to make money off your misery. Might be hard? There's two forms of bupenorpine. One has a opiate blocker (nalaxone) in it--It is expensive. Try to get your doctor to prescribe generic bupenorpine. Once you get bupenorpine in your brain, your craving for opiates will diminish. If it dosen't you need to do the whole 12 step dance. The high of bupenorpine wears off after a few months, so it's no panacea. Remember, you will be addicted to another drug, but at least it's legal. Try to take the smallest dose possible. The slight euphoria wears off! People don't understand that? After a few months you will be addicted to another drug. Your Doctor will become your drug dealer. The fun wears off real quick. I have no reason to lie. And yes--I'm just one person. You're not reading the results of a well done double blind study. There's a lot of misinformation about this drug--even among the MD's who needed to take a special class in order to prescribe it. Again, don't start it unless you've bathed your brain in opiates for a long time. A while is not a few months. Even if your hooked to the gills on smack, the media makes detox so dramatic. I've seen people scared to death, thinking they will die from withdrawal. Dying s very rare, unless you have the health of Jerry Garcia.(huge addiction, obese, and diabetic, etc). If you are realitively healthy you can taper off. This goes for Alcoholics too. You don't necessarily need to spend your last 40 grand on high priced Promices. Taper, Taper, Taper. Ten percent a day. Doctors won't tell you this because of the small chance you die--liability. Again, don't start this drug if you can. They don't know the long term effects. If you are one of the unfortunate ones, and use bupenorpine, make the best of the situation. I have heard of peope getting off it, but they taper their dose, and have a fair amount if decipline. If you are trying to get off bupenorpine, stay off the drug recovery websites; everyone exaggerates, and the stories will just scare you. My honest, blood written advise is Never take opiates. Especially, if you even think you have a slightly addictive personality, or biology? Don't take that free Percocet offered by you friends. I honestly feel long term opiate use, or buprenorpine use damages the pleasure centers of your brain. Good Luck--and please save any lectures. This is just my opinion.

Alex3917 13y ago
> Ten percent a day. Doctors won't tell you this because of the small chance you die--liability. Why taper that fast? What's the rush? Most people seem to assume that if a drug has a shorter half life it means you can taper off it faster, but I've never seen any evidence (albeit I'm not an expert) that the speed at which your neural chemistry can reset itself is at all correlated with the half life of the drug.
- s_baby 13y ago
  Its not fast if you consider its 10‰ of previous dose. As you approach zero dosage reductions get smaller. Rule of thumb I've seen is 30‰ every 4 days. Close enough.
  - pcl 13y ago
    OT, but note that ‰ means "per mille". So 10‰ is equivalent to 1%, not 10%.
TomJoad 13y ago
Despite its flaws, calling the 12 step program a "dance" is pretty offensive. This coming from a someone who's father died of alcohol withdraw when I was young, and 4 immediate family members in the program. *edit: Also, while your post was primarily about this pill and addiction surrounding it, I can assure you my father wasn't like "Jerry Garcia.(huge addiction, obese, and diabetic, etc)." In fact, he was in his mid-twenties, and an all-state wrestler and football player in high school, and very athletic after. Sometimes, it has nothing to do with your health, but the seizures which can come from withdraw and an inadequate and unequipped healthcare system. To be frank, I find your post to be very insensitive and offensive to those who have been through situations like this.
- hrkristian 13y ago
  As this is not Facebook, I have a hard time understanding why your feelings matter. To make matters worse, that "dance" comment had close to nothing to do with what he was saying, making your -and my- comment an utter waste of thread-space.

Alex3917 13y ago

> Ten percent a day. Doctors won't tell you this because of the small chance you die--liability. Why taper that fast? What's the rush? Most people seem to assume that if a drug has a shorter half life it means you can taper off it faster, but I've never seen any evidence (albeit I'm not an expert) that the speed at which your neural chemistry can reset itself is at all correlated with the half life of the drug.

s_baby 13y ago
Its not fast if you consider its 10‰ of previous dose. As you approach zero dosage reductions get smaller. Rule of thumb I've seen is 30‰ every 4 days. Close enough.
- pcl 13y ago
  OT, but note that ‰ means "per mille". So 10‰ is equivalent to 1%, not 10%.

TomJoad 13y ago

Despite its flaws, calling the 12 step program a "dance" is pretty offensive. This coming from a someone who's father died of alcohol withdraw when I was young, and 4 immediate family members in the program. *edit: Also, while your post was primarily about this pill and addiction surrounding it, I can assure you my father wasn't like "Jerry Garcia.(huge addiction, obese, and diabetic, etc)." In fact, he was in his mid-twenties, and an all-state wrestler and football player in high school, and very athletic after. Sometimes, it has nothing to do with your health, but the seizures which can come from withdraw and an inadequate and unequipped healthcare system. To be frank, I find your post to be very insensitive and offensive to those who have been through situations like this.

hrkristian 13y ago
As this is not Facebook, I have a hard time understanding why your feelings matter. To make matters worse, that "dance" comment had close to nothing to do with what he was saying, making your -and my- comment an utter waste of thread-space.