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I see some comments already heavily criticizing this school. A few things to note before taking those comments at face value. - This is the school's website ht

by mekoka 13y ago

I see some comments already heavily criticizing this school. A few things to note before taking those comments at face value. - This is the school's website http://www.42.fr http://www.42.fr. If you can't read in french, but want to know more, I'd suggest to use some translation tool, or lookup other articles that talk about it. - I also encourage you to lookup who is behind the project http://www.42.fr/lequipe-et-les-moyens/ http://www.42.fr/lequipe-et-les-moyens/ - The very first class will be in November 2013. So the program hasn't even started yet. I don't know how some people can foresee failure this early. - on this page, http://www.42.fr/notre-pedagogie-programme/ http://www.42.fr/notre-pedagogie-programme/ there's a testimony (I think) by Bruno Lévêque that roughly translates to A "project based" methodology that favors realism, learning by creating real applications useful in everyday life. That answers the question will they be doing only programming exercises for 15h a day? It is unfortunate that this website would only be in french. If there was an english translation, I sense that some people would be a bit less cavalier about spewing unsubstantiated information.

vellum 13y ago
An English version of the actual course curriculum is here: http://pastebin.com/YjX1dgSD http://pastebin.com/YjX1dgSD They actually cover a lot: C, Java, Functional Programming, Kernel Programming, Iphone/Android Development, etc. French version: http://www.42.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/programme-42.pdf http://www.42.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/programme-42.pdf
namenotrequired 13y ago
Thank you. I also think that, even if some of the criticism is right, for a lot of those students (and their future employers) this project will still be a lot better than the alternative of them staying unemployed or working bad jobs while full of this untapped potential.
- yodsanklai 13y ago
  No, the alternative is to study (for free) in any French university.
  - nathanappere 13y ago
    Sure, not the same quality of education for programming though. Since the two are free, I really see no reason to choose university over 42 now.
    - catwell 13y ago
      Not going to explain the French education system once again but... If you have good grades in High School and enough motivation, you can get into CPGE: two years to prepare competitive exams for Grandes Écoles, the top schools in France. CPGE is free. Then if you are admitted to a public Grande École the fees are under €1000 per year. You will earn way more with your (mandatory) internships. Oh, and if you're poor the State will give you grants that are more than enough to pay for scholarship, rent and food. You will not get these grants if you study at 42. Actually, if you are very good the very best Grandes Écoles (ENS, Polytechnique) pay their students to study there. So to sum things up: - The best schools in France were already free. - Less competitive education (university) was already free. Something like 42 in the US would make a lot of sense. 42 in France fills a niche, but not much more.

by mekoka 13y ago

vellum 13y ago

An English version of the actual course curriculum is here: http://pastebin.com/YjX1dgSD http://pastebin.com/YjX1dgSD They actually cover a lot: C, Java, Functional Programming, Kernel Programming, Iphone/Android Development, etc. French version: http://www.42.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/programme-42.pdf http://www.42.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/programme-42.pdf

namenotrequired 13y ago

Thank you. I also think that, even if some of the criticism is right, for a lot of those students (and their future employers) this project will still be a lot better than the alternative of them staying unemployed or working bad jobs while full of this untapped potential.

yodsanklai 13y ago
No, the alternative is to study (for free) in any French university.
- nathanappere 13y ago
  Sure, not the same quality of education for programming though. Since the two are free, I really see no reason to choose university over 42 now.
  - catwell 13y ago
    Not going to explain the French education system once again but... If you have good grades in High School and enough motivation, you can get into CPGE: two years to prepare competitive exams for Grandes Écoles, the top schools in France. CPGE is free. Then if you are admitted to a public Grande École the fees are under €1000 per year. You will earn way more with your (mandatory) internships. Oh, and if you're poor the State will give you grants that are more than enough to pay for scholarship, rent and food. You will not get these grants if you study at 42. Actually, if you are very good the very best Grandes Écoles (ENS, Polytechnique) pay their students to study there. So to sum things up: - The best schools in France were already free. - Less competitive education (university) was already free. Something like 42 in the US would make a lot of sense. 42 in France fills a niche, but not much more.