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You should add some evidence to your comments... I've seen no evidence women are driven away en masse from programming by anything other than their own wants an

by axod 17y ago

You should add some evidence to your comments... I've seen no evidence women are driven away en masse from programming by anything other than their own wants and desires. I hang out on IRC quite a lot, and if someone brings up the fact that they're a woman, most people are just 'meh'... it's irrelevant to how they're treated and the value they add to discussion etc. That's one of the great things about this industry - it really does not matter. Girls and boys are very very different biologically, with extremely different strengths and weaknesses. Extremely different brains. Lets stop pretending they're the same.

dtf 17y ago
I think you mean, people are very different biologically, with extremely different strengths and weaknesses and extremely different brains. You cannot reliably make any predictions about a particular person's behaviours, aptitudes or motivations if given only the fact that she's a woman.
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- axod 17y ago
  No, I don't.
idlewords 17y ago
The evidence, as I said, is actually against you. http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Gender-Difference-in-Learning-Math-113149.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Gender-Difference-in-Lear...
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- cousin_it 17y ago
  What the paper you linked to actually proves: girls' math scores are just as variable as boys' in some countries and some ethnic groups in the United States such as Asian Americans I could even grant you that this result transfers to all ethnicities, but still legitimately ask: so what? If yesterday's evidence of differing math scores didn't imply differing ability to you, then equal math scores today shouldn't imply equal ability either. Make up your mind, will ya. Till then I'll consider you to be cherrypicking evidence to support a feel-good conclusion.
- axod 17y ago
  I'm guessing you don't have kids yourself. Once you have a girl and a boy the differences are startling and obvious.

by axod 17y ago

dtf 17y ago

I think you mean, people are very different biologically, with extremely different strengths and weaknesses and extremely different brains. You cannot reliably make any predictions about a particular person's behaviours, aptitudes or motivations if given only the fact that she's a woman.

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axod 17y ago
No, I don't.

idlewords 17y ago

The evidence, as I said, is actually against you. http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Gender-Difference-in-Learning-Math-113149.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Gender-Difference-in-Lear...

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cousin_it 17y ago
What the paper you linked to actually proves: girls' math scores are just as variable as boys' in some countries and some ethnic groups in the United States such as Asian Americans I could even grant you that this result transfers to all ethnicities, but still legitimately ask: so what? If yesterday's evidence of differing math scores didn't imply differing ability to you, then equal math scores today shouldn't imply equal ability either. Make up your mind, will ya. Till then I'll consider you to be cherrypicking evidence to support a feel-good conclusion.
axod 17y ago
I'm guessing you don't have kids yourself. Once you have a girl and a boy the differences are startling and obvious.