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Do is Done. Thanks, Salesforce! Your purchase of Manymoon and subsequent shutdown of it instills Google-like levels of confidence in your product offerings!

rhizome 13y ago
Salesforce is under zero pressure to care what anybody outside of it's extremely profitable walled garden thinks.
- amplification 13y ago
  Is Salesforce extremely profitable? http://beta.fool.com/boriskabinov/2012/08/13/will-salesforce-ever-make-profit/8950/ http://beta.fool.com/boriskabinov/2012/08/13/will-salesforce... http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applications/salesforcecom-revenues-surge-but-should/240142626 http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applicati... Looks like the answer is... not yet. (maybe never?)
  - rhizome 13y ago
    Hah, good point. I forgot about reality! Can we say "lucrative?" There are certainly some houses being bought with SF dollars.
  - edwinnathaniel 13y ago
    > Why the big difference? For one thing, Salesforce.com's operating expenses rose 40% year over year to $656.3 million, with big increases in head count as well as research and development, sales and marketing, and general administrative expenses. > They want to be the market leader so they keep expanding as long as they have money. They can always reduce the headcounts and becomes profitable.
- mhartl 13y ago
  *its extremely profitable
blowski 13y ago
I have no idea why Do is closing down, but I'm guessing it has something to do with lack of ROI. Hence, Salesforce has a fiduciary duty to do so. This repeated criticism on HN of any company choosing to close down a service is bizarre.
- moreentropy 13y ago
  Maybe. But that goodbye post is a joke. No facts, no reason, just a friendly fuck you.
  - joshcrowder 13y ago
    Very true, I received the email twice, insult to injury. "We are working on a way to export your data, So long suckerss!!!"
- wpietri 13y ago
  Soberly exercised fiduciary duty is probably around #15 on the reason why things get closed down. Other things that I expect are higher include a couple of key people leaving; a manager not liking another manager; an executive not really understanding the product, the audience, the market, or the potential; idiocy; somebody wanting their budget; somebody being envious of their success; somebody hating the guy who ok'd the acquisition; the departure of the guy who ok'd the acquisition; more idiocy; somebody suddenly needing to be seen as a bold and decisive leader; the need for a distraction; or it not being mauve [1]. There is no particular reason to think high-level executives at a company have a better understanding of one of their minor products than do the people who post here on Hacker News. Indeed, the people posting here demonstrably have a surplus of time, nosiness, and interest in the industry. High-level executives are generally insanely busy and very focused on their jobs. Which includes understanding their industry, but only as a relatively small fraction of their time. [1] http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/ http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/ Updated to add: I have no idea what goes on inside Salesforce; this view comes mainly from 25 years of reading the business press.

rhizome 13y ago

Salesforce is under zero pressure to care what anybody outside of it's extremely profitable walled garden thinks.

amplification 13y ago
Is Salesforce extremely profitable? http://beta.fool.com/boriskabinov/2012/08/13/will-salesforce-ever-make-profit/8950/ http://beta.fool.com/boriskabinov/2012/08/13/will-salesforce... http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applications/salesforcecom-revenues-surge-but-should/240142626 http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applicati... Looks like the answer is... not yet. (maybe never?)
- rhizome 13y ago
  Hah, good point. I forgot about reality! Can we say "lucrative?" There are certainly some houses being bought with SF dollars.
- edwinnathaniel 13y ago
  > Why the big difference? For one thing, Salesforce.com's operating expenses rose 40% year over year to $656.3 million, with big increases in head count as well as research and development, sales and marketing, and general administrative expenses. > They want to be the market leader so they keep expanding as long as they have money. They can always reduce the headcounts and becomes profitable.
mhartl 13y ago
*its extremely profitable

blowski 13y ago

I have no idea why Do is closing down, but I'm guessing it has something to do with lack of ROI. Hence, Salesforce has a fiduciary duty to do so. This repeated criticism on HN of any company choosing to close down a service is bizarre.

moreentropy 13y ago
Maybe. But that goodbye post is a joke. No facts, no reason, just a friendly fuck you.
- joshcrowder 13y ago
  Very true, I received the email twice, insult to injury. "We are working on a way to export your data, So long suckerss!!!"
wpietri 13y ago
Soberly exercised fiduciary duty is probably around #15 on the reason why things get closed down. Other things that I expect are higher include a couple of key people leaving; a manager not liking another manager; an executive not really understanding the product, the audience, the market, or the potential; idiocy; somebody wanting their budget; somebody being envious of their success; somebody hating the guy who ok'd the acquisition; the departure of the guy who ok'd the acquisition; more idiocy; somebody suddenly needing to be seen as a bold and decisive leader; the need for a distraction; or it not being mauve [1]. There is no particular reason to think high-level executives at a company have a better understanding of one of their minor products than do the people who post here on Hacker News. Indeed, the people posting here demonstrably have a surplus of time, nosiness, and interest in the industry. High-level executives are generally insanely busy and very focused on their jobs. Which includes understanding their industry, but only as a relatively small fraction of their time. [1] http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/ http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/ Updated to add: I have no idea what goes on inside Salesforce; this view comes mainly from 25 years of reading the business press.