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I agree, I'd actually much prefer 30 or 35 to 40-50, but our society isn't set up well for that. There are tons of employers who will pay you market rate for n

I agree, I'd actually much prefer 30 or 35 to 40-50, but our society isn't set up well for that. There are tons of employers who will pay you market rate for normal effort --- normal being defined as 40-50 hours/week of diligent work. What you can do tho is put up with the 40-50 hours a week for a decade and then have the rest of your life to decide what you want to do with each hour of your day and not worry about how much society thinks you should dedicate to working.

georgemcbay 13y ago
There are many employers who will pay you market rate for 40-50 hours of presence, half of it spent frittering away time on the Internet. But essentially none who will pay you nearly as much for a true solid 20-25 hours of real effort without all the "looking busy" time wasting.
- pyrrhotech 13y ago
  This too. Another reason I am for financial independence
- RussianCow 13y ago
  Yeah... I really wish it were the other way around, because I hate wasting all those hours, knowing that nothing good came out of that time.
cafard 13y ago
Someone I know works where a new regime is enforcing hours: 9 to 6. Effectively they have reinvented detention. (NB: don't tell me about Google and Cisco, because this isn't. A fair part of their staff is very effective at 35 hours per week, and another fair part is ineffective at any.)
RussianCow 13y ago
Or you could go into contract work. :) That's what I ended up doing, and I'm considerably happier now than when I was employed fulltime (and I happen to make more as well). To be honest, I'm not sure if a decade is enough to secure financial independence, unless you get paid a ton.
drags 13y ago
I've mentioned this a couple times before but we hire Rails engineers for 24-40 hours a week + health insurance (in fact we're majority part-time at this point). It's not for everyone, but it works well for us. We're all fresh and relaxed at work, and the free time is great for learning, side projects, exercising, travel. Anyway, we're actually hiring right now: if you're in the Bay Area and looking shoot me an email.
hackula1 13y ago
Retire after 10 years of salary work? I don't think so.

georgemcbay 13y ago

There are many employers who will pay you market rate for 40-50 hours of presence, half of it spent frittering away time on the Internet. But essentially none who will pay you nearly as much for a true solid 20-25 hours of real effort without all the "looking busy" time wasting.

pyrrhotech 13y ago
This too. Another reason I am for financial independence
RussianCow 13y ago
Yeah... I really wish it were the other way around, because I hate wasting all those hours, knowing that nothing good came out of that time.

cafard 13y ago

Someone I know works where a new regime is enforcing hours: 9 to 6. Effectively they have reinvented detention. (NB: don't tell me about Google and Cisco, because this isn't. A fair part of their staff is very effective at 35 hours per week, and another fair part is ineffective at any.)

RussianCow 13y ago

Or you could go into contract work. :) That's what I ended up doing, and I'm considerably happier now than when I was employed fulltime (and I happen to make more as well). To be honest, I'm not sure if a decade is enough to secure financial independence, unless you get paid a ton.

drags 13y ago

I've mentioned this a couple times before but we hire Rails engineers for 24-40 hours a week + health insurance (in fact we're majority part-time at this point). It's not for everyone, but it works well for us. We're all fresh and relaxed at work, and the free time is great for learning, side projects, exercising, travel. Anyway, we're actually hiring right now: if you're in the Bay Area and looking shoot me an email.

hackula1 13y ago

Retire after 10 years of salary work? I don't think so.