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today i recovered this http://web.archive.org/web/20080426161839/http://www.fragmentarisch.net/svg/drawingboard.php http://web.archive.org/web/20080426161839/ht

by franze 13y ago

today i recovered this http://web.archive.org/web/20080426161839/http://www.fragmentarisch.net/svg/drawingboard.php http://web.archive.org/web/20080426161839/http://www.fragmen... via waybackmachine. i coded this in 2006 (its optimized for IE6 and the (at that time cutting edge now for a long time deprecated) adobe svg plugin). basically a LOGO like language in svg and js. the good news is: it still works (webkit), the bad news is that i still dont believe that SVG is the future. fool me once ...

loupeabody 13y ago
Care to share why?
- franze 13y ago
  personal disappointment is pretty high up on the list: i was an early adopter SVG ninja, i believed in the revolution, and the revolution didn't happen. and i understood why: SVG is a technology invented and specified by a committee built upon a technology invented and specified by a committee (XML). now combine this with the most anarchistic technology in the internet, i'm talking about the one technology that is still untamed in it's raw from, mischievous and sometimes plain dumbevil in it's details, yes, i'm talking about the DOM. that's why working with SVG always felt clunky and massochistic to me. so if you touch SVG always use a high level clever abstraction. and well this seems the point of snap.svg. maybe i will give it another try. but the thing is, whenever i use a high level abstraction i will sooner or later go down into the pits again, because i want to know how it works and whatever else i can make it do, and then i will probably hate myself again for giving svg another shot....
  - RussianCow 13y ago
    That's like saying you don't believe in memory allocation and pointers because they're "untamed" and "mischievous". Sure, low-level APIs/formats are a pain to work with, but that's the whole point of abstractions like this. If you hate yourself for learning how something low-level works, that sounds like a personal problem. :)

by franze 13y ago

loupeabody 13y ago

Care to share why?

franze 13y ago
personal disappointment is pretty high up on the list: i was an early adopter SVG ninja, i believed in the revolution, and the revolution didn't happen. and i understood why: SVG is a technology invented and specified by a committee built upon a technology invented and specified by a committee (XML). now combine this with the most anarchistic technology in the internet, i'm talking about the one technology that is still untamed in it's raw from, mischievous and sometimes plain dumbevil in it's details, yes, i'm talking about the DOM. that's why working with SVG always felt clunky and massochistic to me. so if you touch SVG always use a high level clever abstraction. and well this seems the point of snap.svg. maybe i will give it another try. but the thing is, whenever i use a high level abstraction i will sooner or later go down into the pits again, because i want to know how it works and whatever else i can make it do, and then i will probably hate myself again for giving svg another shot....
- RussianCow 13y ago
  That's like saying you don't believe in memory allocation and pointers because they're "untamed" and "mischievous". Sure, low-level APIs/formats are a pain to work with, but that's the whole point of abstractions like this. If you hate yourself for learning how something low-level works, that sounds like a personal problem. :)