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Interesting. However, I was just about to enable javascript but then I read the message: Look. It's 2009. Each time you visit without javascript, anothe

by tr3 17y ago

Interesting. However, I was just about to enable javascript but then I read the message: Look. It's 2009. Each time you visit without javascript, another frog dies (It's automatic - wires from webserver to frog electricution chair. Took me 3 weeks to wire that). YOU are responsible. How does that make you feel? hmm? Save frogs. Enable javascript. I won't enable javascript. Enabling javascript is about TRUST, not technology. And the basic problems with trust are the same whether it is 2009 or not. I do not trust you!

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froo 17y ago
"And the basic problems with trust are the same whether it is 2009 or not. I do not trust you!" Well, axod who runs mibbit is a respected HN contributor who works very hard on his client and is also available to chat/help often in #startups on irc.freenode.net You however, I have no idea who you are and the fact that it looks like you created this account just to take a stab at axod makes me wonder who you really are on HN and why you have a bone to pick with him. These kinds of actions do not engender trust in someone. In summary, I'd be more likely to trust axod over you. EDIT - for those reading this comment later, when I read the above comment, the comment was written "40 minutes ago" and then I checked his profile, it stated that the account was created "42 minutes ago", so that is where the perspective comes from. It appears like he created the account just to say something nasty.
- tr3 17y ago
  Yes, I agree with you. But he has earned his trust with HN community. I have not been around that long haven't earned your trust but that just supports my point about trust vs technology and his stupid "enable javascript you *" message. As I am new to your community, he does not have my trust yet and does not deserve any based on what I know about him so far. That might change over time but so far it seems he is making web a bit more unpleasant for people who do not throw themselves to the sharks by blindly enabling javascript to whoever asks/orders to.
  - Jem 17y ago
    I browse with JavaScript disabled, and agree that enabling it is about trust. However, I fail to understand how axod is making the web "a bit more unpleasant"? His message is humorous, and offers more value than no indication of required technologies at all (which is how the majority of sites deal with issues such as JS dependence). Clearly you do not use mibbit on a regular basis, and therefore what use is your overly critical contribution? (For the record, I have JS enabled on mibbit.)
- Tichy 17y ago
  There is also the issue of Google scripts on the page (ads and analytics), so it comes down to trusting Google.
  - Jem 17y ago
    Not really. I assume the OP uses NoScript - it would take a second to enable JavaScript while leaving Google blocked.
whughes 17y ago
How is a site like Mibbit possible without JavaScript? AJAX is, after all, asynchronous JavaScript and XML, and a site like Mibbit which is constantly updating and communicating with servers isn't the same as a site which uses JS for menu rollovers. This seems like a case where the technology necessitates JavaScript usage.

by tr3 17y ago

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froo 17y ago

"And the basic problems with trust are the same whether it is 2009 or not. I do not trust you!" Well, axod who runs mibbit is a respected HN contributor who works very hard on his client and is also available to chat/help often in #startups on irc.freenode.net You however, I have no idea who you are and the fact that it looks like you created this account just to take a stab at axod makes me wonder who you really are on HN and why you have a bone to pick with him. These kinds of actions do not engender trust in someone. In summary, I'd be more likely to trust axod over you. EDIT - for those reading this comment later, when I read the above comment, the comment was written "40 minutes ago" and then I checked his profile, it stated that the account was created "42 minutes ago", so that is where the perspective comes from. It appears like he created the account just to say something nasty.

tr3 17y ago
Yes, I agree with you. But he has earned his trust with HN community. I have not been around that long haven't earned your trust but that just supports my point about trust vs technology and his stupid "enable javascript you *" message. As I am new to your community, he does not have my trust yet and does not deserve any based on what I know about him so far. That might change over time but so far it seems he is making web a bit more unpleasant for people who do not throw themselves to the sharks by blindly enabling javascript to whoever asks/orders to.
- Jem 17y ago
  I browse with JavaScript disabled, and agree that enabling it is about trust. However, I fail to understand how axod is making the web "a bit more unpleasant"? His message is humorous, and offers more value than no indication of required technologies at all (which is how the majority of sites deal with issues such as JS dependence). Clearly you do not use mibbit on a regular basis, and therefore what use is your overly critical contribution? (For the record, I have JS enabled on mibbit.)
Tichy 17y ago
There is also the issue of Google scripts on the page (ads and analytics), so it comes down to trusting Google.
- Jem 17y ago
  Not really. I assume the OP uses NoScript - it would take a second to enable JavaScript while leaving Google blocked.

whughes 17y ago

How is a site like Mibbit possible without JavaScript? AJAX is, after all, asynchronous JavaScript and XML, and a site like Mibbit which is constantly updating and communicating with servers isn't the same as a site which uses JS for menu rollovers. This seems like a case where the technology necessitates JavaScript usage.