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I think that file (not only mp3s) sharing is the ultimate goal of the internet. The current state when we have big servers to which clients connect is just a co

by Quiark 17y ago

I think that file (not only mp3s) sharing is the ultimate goal of the internet. The current state when we have big servers to which clients connect is just a coincidence and is temporary. The future is fully distributed :)

eznet 17y ago
Although I could not agree more, one caveat here - hosting a "server" of nearly any flavor is a violation of most current ISP's TOS. I know we do it and get away with it (and its one of the dumbest rules ever), but they will terminate your service from time to time until you agree to obey - it has happened to me twice over a simple HTML/Javascript web server.
- pbhj 17y ago
  But that's OK because for most users they'd just be using Opera ... "sorry, what's a server?". Incidentally I win at teh internetz, broke this story on the 14th, if only I was famous I'd be, err, famous. http://alicious.com/2009/opera-about-to-change-the-world/ http://alicious.com/2009/opera-about-to-change-the-world/
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    That won't fly - ignorance isnt a get out of EULA free card any more. Besides it clearly says "web server" so... ;)
TheSOB88 17y ago
Not every piece of data is a file. For instance, is talking to your friends on Facebook a file? I suppose you could view it as a "you talking = writing, friend talking = reading" type thing, but that's stretching it a bit. There are other examples that have nothing to do with file sharing, like GPS, Google Maps, and pizza delivery.
- cookieliaokai 17y ago
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- Readmore 17y ago
  All of the things you mentioned are stored in database files, so yeah it's all about file sharing. Although I would disagree that pizza delivery is a piece of data ;)
  - TheSOB88 17y ago
    The difference is that users aren't sharing data with each other, but rather companies are providing services by giving you data. And a file is just a way to store a database in order to interface with the OS, not the way records themselves are stored. Point is, the Internet is a lot more nuanced than "file sharing".
LostInTheWoods 17y ago
The idea of making a web browser that is also a web server makes a lot more sense than the current trend of cloud computing. The privately owned data center concept is unsustainable, and defeats the concept the internet, which is distributed data.
- hexis 17y ago
  Eben Moglen, I believe, made some great points about the huge increase in distributed computing power (ie, the power of the laptops in the audience) in this talk: http://radar.oreilly.com/2007/08/my-tonguelashing-from-eben-mog.html http://radar.oreilly.com/2007/08/my-tonguelashing-from-eben-... Data centers get a lot of press, and it is warranted, but regular old desktops and laptops (and smartphones, etc!) are incredibly powerful and underutilized. The internet doesn't have to be cable tv, it can be the telephone game with checksums.
- wmf 17y ago
  The privately owned data center concept is unsustainable It's not clear what you're saying here, but I think I strongly disagree. Data centers have real economies of scale (both in dollars and in availability) which shouldn't be ignored. Web 2.0 "freeconomics" may be unsustainable, but you don't have to use that business model; you can make data centers (or "the cloud") work for you. ...and defeats the concept the internet, which is distributed data. IMO the concept of the Internet is to move packets, and servers are equally legitimate as PCs.
- drawkbox 17y ago
  Distribution means not a single point of failure. So both cloud computing and maybe Opera Unite are advances on that. But saying cloud computing is not the direction I believe it wrong. The idea of cloud computing is really adding more distribution to your network. So you can have cheaper servers all over rather than just your servers at one data center with a remote data store that never has been checked. Opera Unite is really just the IRC and a slice of P2P. But there will be huge reliability problems as with any distributed P2P system.
tybris 17y ago
Nope. The future is hierarchical all over the place. Just like the present and the past.

by Quiark 17y ago

eznet 17y ago

Although I could not agree more, one caveat here - hosting a "server" of nearly any flavor is a violation of most current ISP's TOS. I know we do it and get away with it (and its one of the dumbest rules ever), but they will terminate your service from time to time until you agree to obey - it has happened to me twice over a simple HTML/Javascript web server.

pbhj 17y ago
But that's OK because for most users they'd just be using Opera ... "sorry, what's a server?". Incidentally I win at teh internetz, broke this story on the 14th, if only I was famous I'd be, err, famous. http://alicious.com/2009/opera-about-to-change-the-world/ http://alicious.com/2009/opera-about-to-change-the-world/
- ErrantX 17y ago
  That won't fly - ignorance isnt a get out of EULA free card any more. Besides it clearly says "web server" so... ;)

TheSOB88 17y ago

Not every piece of data is a file. For instance, is talking to your friends on Facebook a file? I suppose you could view it as a "you talking = writing, friend talking = reading" type thing, but that's stretching it a bit. There are other examples that have nothing to do with file sharing, like GPS, Google Maps, and pizza delivery.

cookieliaokai 17y ago
Good stuff ! Do U Wanna find sexy partners to have fun? Please check out__--==* Sugarbabymeet.C'om *==-- _ where you can meet the sexy beauties, wealthy singles and even hot celebs. What are you waiting for? Find your sexy partner NOW!
Readmore 17y ago
All of the things you mentioned are stored in database files, so yeah it's all about file sharing. Although I would disagree that pizza delivery is a piece of data ;)
- TheSOB88 17y ago
  The difference is that users aren't sharing data with each other, but rather companies are providing services by giving you data. And a file is just a way to store a database in order to interface with the OS, not the way records themselves are stored. Point is, the Internet is a lot more nuanced than "file sharing".

LostInTheWoods 17y ago

The idea of making a web browser that is also a web server makes a lot more sense than the current trend of cloud computing. The privately owned data center concept is unsustainable, and defeats the concept the internet, which is distributed data.

hexis 17y ago
Eben Moglen, I believe, made some great points about the huge increase in distributed computing power (ie, the power of the laptops in the audience) in this talk: http://radar.oreilly.com/2007/08/my-tonguelashing-from-eben-mog.html http://radar.oreilly.com/2007/08/my-tonguelashing-from-eben-... Data centers get a lot of press, and it is warranted, but regular old desktops and laptops (and smartphones, etc!) are incredibly powerful and underutilized. The internet doesn't have to be cable tv, it can be the telephone game with checksums.
wmf 17y ago
The privately owned data center concept is unsustainable It's not clear what you're saying here, but I think I strongly disagree. Data centers have real economies of scale (both in dollars and in availability) which shouldn't be ignored. Web 2.0 "freeconomics" may be unsustainable, but you don't have to use that business model; you can make data centers (or "the cloud") work for you. ...and defeats the concept the internet, which is distributed data. IMO the concept of the Internet is to move packets, and servers are equally legitimate as PCs.
drawkbox 17y ago
Distribution means not a single point of failure. So both cloud computing and maybe Opera Unite are advances on that. But saying cloud computing is not the direction I believe it wrong. The idea of cloud computing is really adding more distribution to your network. So you can have cheaper servers all over rather than just your servers at one data center with a remote data store that never has been checked. Opera Unite is really just the IRC and a slice of P2P. But there will be huge reliability problems as with any distributed P2P system.

tybris 17y ago

Nope. The future is hierarchical all over the place. Just like the present and the past.