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There are many reasons to be proud to be French, but since the French law is just an implementation of an EU directive this is hardly one of them.
by macmac 13y ago
There are many reasons to be proud to be French, but since the French law is just an implementation of an EU directive this is hardly one of them.
- kleiba 13y agoFrankly, I never understood why anyone should be proud because they happen to be of a certain nationality.
- stinos 13y agoIt's like being proud of coincidence. Weird, but hey, why not?
- vdaniuk 13y agoBecause it skews your priorities and introduces more cognitive biases?
- dalore 13y agoI'm proud I rolled a 6 on my dice.
- emiliobumachar 13y agoThough it may look otherwise, the opinions of citizens have a fair weight in government policy.
- shard 13y agoBecause nationality is a choice? I have two, and am working on a third one.
- smtddr 13y agoProbably a defensive reaction to all the negative comments made about a nationality... and to prevent the children(and even adults) of said nationality from internalizing the negativity. In short, to provide balance.
- shin_lao 13y agoWhy is it so strange to be proud of the blessings of good fortune? If you are born beautiful, can't you be proud of it? If you are part of an ancient and rich civilization, can't you be proud of it?
- hrktb 13y agoI guess if you are ancient and rich you could be proud of it . If your papers say you were born in an ancient and rich group but you're none, what should you be proud of ? It really boils down to you as an individual vs the country you are enlisted in.
- dalore 13y agoYou can respect it and count your blessings but what are you proud for if you didn't contribute anything to it? Now if you are part of an ancient and rich civilization and you continue to further that civilization, that you can be proud of.
- r00fus 13y agoIf one does enough regression in analysis, even your contributions and works can be traced to genes and environment you didn't exactly choose. Why wouldn't personal beauty, health or intelligence be considered part of that civilization - and if I procreate, I am furthering it :)
- dalore 13y agoWell procreating is an achievement in itself, so it is something you can be proud of.
- cb_ru 13y agoWill you be proud of your children sometimes? Because they could have been born in any family in the world...
- pessimizer 13y agoThe question is whether your children should be proud of the accomplishments of their parents. Presumably, you have some responsibility for the accomplishments of your children.
- narcissus 13y agoThen couldn't a voter be proud of the accomplishments of the people that have been elected?
- alkonaut 13y agoIt's not pride of being born at a certain location (that's coincidence), It's pride to be part of a community (state, city, organization, ...) that makes good, rational decisions. Like how you can be proud if you live in a country with a sensible healthcare system or patent system, or proud to work at a company with good policies and a healty work environment.
- maw 13y agoWhy should you be proud of being part of a community that makes good, rational decisions? That's also coincidence. (You should be happy and thankful, perhaps. But not proud, because, to any reasonable approximation, you have had nothing to do with it.)
- mercurial 13y agoOne of the advantages of living in a democracy means that you do get a say in who gets elected to make the laws. The main disadvantages are that other people do too, and that the pool of politicians you draw from is mostly unappetizing.
- anologwintermut 13y agoBy that logic, we can't hold people responsible for electing idiots.
- GuiA 13y agoBecause hopefully you're part of this community by choice. I chose to move to Silicon Valley and be part of the community there precisely because I was dissatisfied with the communities I lived in prior to that; in effect, I vote with my time and taxes. I agree that being proud of where you're born is silly; but being proud of where you chose to live is slightly different.
- jamesaguilar 13y agoHmm. But then, as an American, does that mean I shouldn't let the bad things my government does bother me except inasmuch as it affects myself?
- dalke 13y agoIf you have not heard of Kurt Vonnegut's term 'granfalloon', you may be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granfalloon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granfalloon . A granfalloon is a false karass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokononism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokononism .
- mduerksen 13y agoYou can be proud of anything or anyone who you can identify with or somehow are connected with, without any accomplishment on your part. You can be proud of your kids because they belong to you. You can be proud of your family because you belong to it. You can be proud of your favorite sports team because you root for them. BUT if you can be proud of it for its accomplishments, you also should be ashamed of it because of its errors. Nationalists are people who love to claim the accomplishments of their country, but deny its errors. EDIT: This is not to say that one has to mention all errors everytime one expresses pride.
- username42 13y agoI think the EU directive has been much influenced by the CNIL and the preexisting french laws. The CNIL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNIL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNIL) was very influencial 20 years ago. It has lost most of its power now, but its main results remain.
- macmac 13y agoMy understanding is that CNIL works/worked on data privacy issues, which does not appear to be related to the issue of reverse engineering. You might be thinking about the Directive on Privacy and Electronic Communications (2002/58) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Privacy_and_Electronic_Communications http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_Privacy_and_Electr....
- lmm 13y agoFrance was a key founder of the EU.
- xorblurb 13y agoThis French law existed before. The EU directive probably comes from the preexisting French law.
- macmac 13y agoAs far as I can tell the "French law" would be Article L122-6-1 of Code de la propriété intellectuelle which is dated 10 May 1994. The Eu Software Directive was first enacted in 1991. The text of the French law is almost verbatim the text of the directive.
- nraynaud 13y agoIt's even more explicit than the dates, the article was created by this law: "Loi n° 94-361 du 10 mai 1994 portant mise en oeuvre de la directive (C. E. E.) n° 91-250 du Conseil des communautés européennes en date du 14 mai 1991 concernant la protection juridique des programmes d'ordinateur et modifiant le code de la propriété intellectuelle" edit: link http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexteArticle.do;jsessionid=82D2EBE0E1526167A910AF67D5AA2BD7.tpdjo13v_1?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000713568&idArticle=LEGIARTI000006281527&dateTexte=20131023&categorieLien=id#LEGIARTI000006281527 http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexteArticle.do;jsession...
- xorblurb 13y agoOk I did not know that, thanks !