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I really, really dislike how much hate there is in this thread. I feel like someone always ends up making similar comments every time there's a new launch from

by ek 13y ago

I really, really dislike how much hate there is in this thread. I feel like someone always ends up making similar comments every time there's a new launch from Apple/Microsoft/Google/whomever, and there is never any change. Do you guys get psyched about anything? On the one end we have "Oh man, iPad air only has 1GB of RAM and 16GB of flash, how stupid" and on the other end we have "iPad hasn't cured cancer yet; would have expected more from Apple under Steve Jobs." Has it occurred to people to like, take a step back for a moment and think about how amazing it is that we as a society have advanced to the point where we can even have something like iPad? The iPad, and devices like it, have done so much to enrich so many people's lives, and isn't that what we're about in this community? We're all trying to make people's lives better with computers, and Apple is as much a part of this mission as any of the people on this site. Maybe it's easy to get karma by ranting and raving, especially on a site like this where controversy drives more upvotes than downvotes simply because more people have upvote-only privileges. But I want us to be better than this; I don't want this to be the norm for discussion in this community.

acchow 13y ago
> Has it occurred to people to like, take a step back for a moment and think about how amazing it is that we as a society have advanced to the point where we can even have something like iPad? We're all trying to make people's lives better with computers, and Apple is as much a part of this mission as any of the people on this site. Anyone who bleeds in six colors is quietly celebrating the achievements in this new launch; enriching and delighting lives with technology is exactly what they've always believed in.
NicoJuicy 13y ago
The iPad to enrich people's live... Sorry, but the iPad/tablets are mostly used for browsing, creating photos and using apps and games. That's not really "enriching" life as i see it, it's a consumer device, not a production device... If you really want to make it enriching, make it non-obtrusive. And i would feel sorry for those whose life really is enriched with a electronic device.
- GuiA 13y ago
  By your definition of "enriching", 80% of the startups discussed on HN are not enriching anyone's lives.
  - josephkern 13y ago
    Which is probably true even on a more objective measurement of "enriching". Sturgeon's Law is always in effect.
  - Tyrannosaurs 13y ago
    Just 80%? I think you're being very generous. 95%? 98%?
    - epo 13y ago
      You're being very generous, 99.9% is probably still too generous.
      - NicoJuicy 13y ago
        My standpoint on enriching lives was in case of producing. Every startup is producing on a non-tablet (pc or laptop), perhaps they make things for tablets, sure. My words were poorly chosen on the part of "enriching lives" through consuming, i agree. Take off the last 2 lines of my sentence and it would be more clear what i meant. A tablet is for consuming, not for producing. (taking pictures and putting a filter on it in 10 seconds is not producing, but consuming) Every startup is producing things. 0% of the startups are producing their app/webapp/... with a tablet. A tablet is created to consume, not to produce, that was the point i was trying to make :)
- hippee-lee 13y ago
  My daughter can create music with Easy Beats 3, she likes the auto drumming thing in garage band because she can record her own songs. She also likes to paint pictures with Paper, she has hot own books so we can keep our drawing separate and so we can print them out or share them. Finally, she makes little animations with Hopscotch. While these are all creativity generators she and I both refer to them as games. I do use the iPad for Flipboard and netflix and games but just as often when I reach for my ipad I reach for my stylus to draw or headphones to create a song. I know I'm n of one but one of the things I'm teaching the next generation is that this one thing is a tool that can adapt itself to almost all of her tasks in school and beyond, when she wants to play, when she wants to create or when she wants to learn in a non school context. I don't know if most people look at it that way, but those who do will have more opportunity than those who see devices purely for consumption.
icoder 13y ago
I actually found that most of the 'hate' in this thread is in (what I see as useless) responses to (what I see as useful) criticism. In turn I'm getting tired of these meta that comments discuss criticism, like yours. Yes I know, others will become tired of comments commenting on these meta comments, like mine, and ad infinitum. I think yours, mine and all these other meta comments have a point, but I don't see why it needs to be made every time.

by ek 13y ago

acchow 13y ago

> Has it occurred to people to like, take a step back for a moment and think about how amazing it is that we as a society have advanced to the point where we can even have something like iPad? We're all trying to make people's lives better with computers, and Apple is as much a part of this mission as any of the people on this site. Anyone who bleeds in six colors is quietly celebrating the achievements in this new launch; enriching and delighting lives with technology is exactly what they've always believed in.

NicoJuicy 13y ago

The iPad to enrich people's live... Sorry, but the iPad/tablets are mostly used for browsing, creating photos and using apps and games. That's not really "enriching" life as i see it, it's a consumer device, not a production device... If you really want to make it enriching, make it non-obtrusive. And i would feel sorry for those whose life really is enriched with a electronic device.

GuiA 13y ago
By your definition of "enriching", 80% of the startups discussed on HN are not enriching anyone's lives.
- josephkern 13y ago
  Which is probably true even on a more objective measurement of "enriching". Sturgeon's Law is always in effect.
- Tyrannosaurs 13y ago
  Just 80%? I think you're being very generous. 95%? 98%?
  - epo 13y ago
    You're being very generous, 99.9% is probably still too generous.
    - NicoJuicy 13y ago
      My standpoint on enriching lives was in case of producing. Every startup is producing on a non-tablet (pc or laptop), perhaps they make things for tablets, sure. My words were poorly chosen on the part of "enriching lives" through consuming, i agree. Take off the last 2 lines of my sentence and it would be more clear what i meant. A tablet is for consuming, not for producing. (taking pictures and putting a filter on it in 10 seconds is not producing, but consuming) Every startup is producing things. 0% of the startups are producing their app/webapp/... with a tablet. A tablet is created to consume, not to produce, that was the point i was trying to make :)
hippee-lee 13y ago
My daughter can create music with Easy Beats 3, she likes the auto drumming thing in garage band because she can record her own songs. She also likes to paint pictures with Paper, she has hot own books so we can keep our drawing separate and so we can print them out or share them. Finally, she makes little animations with Hopscotch. While these are all creativity generators she and I both refer to them as games. I do use the iPad for Flipboard and netflix and games but just as often when I reach for my ipad I reach for my stylus to draw or headphones to create a song. I know I'm n of one but one of the things I'm teaching the next generation is that this one thing is a tool that can adapt itself to almost all of her tasks in school and beyond, when she wants to play, when she wants to create or when she wants to learn in a non school context. I don't know if most people look at it that way, but those who do will have more opportunity than those who see devices purely for consumption.

icoder 13y ago

I actually found that most of the 'hate' in this thread is in (what I see as useless) responses to (what I see as useful) criticism. In turn I'm getting tired of these meta that comments discuss criticism, like yours. Yes I know, others will become tired of comments commenting on these meta comments, like mine, and ad infinitum. I think yours, mine and all these other meta comments have a point, but I don't see why it needs to be made every time.