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Its interesting how Scott Forstall has become the goto name to sully in many of these articles. He pretty much pioneered iOS but one redesign later he's nothing

Its interesting how Scott Forstall has become the goto name to sully in many of these articles. He pretty much pioneered iOS but one redesign later he's nothing in the shadow of Ive.

kennywinker 13y ago
The only mention of Forstall in the review is on the first page. > But that was all before last year's ouster of Scott Forstall, senior vice president of iOS Software. By all accounts, Forstall was one of the driving forces behind the iOS aesthetic that Lion and Mountain Lion so enthusiastically embraced. Jony Ive's iOS 7 strikes off in a bold new direction based on a philosophy that Apple is eager to generalize to the company as a whole—leaving OS X holding the stitched-leather bag. Not exactly sullying his name. There has been a design shift, it's fairly striking, at least on the surface, and it seems to be tightly coupled with a changing of the guard. The story that will go down in history is Scott Forstall was the skeu guy, and he got the boot so Ive could flat-iron everything. We don't know if it's true, but unless Apple tells us otherwise, it fits the data we have better than most things.
- MaysonL 13y ago
  Actually, Forstall will most likely go down as leaving because he was power-hungry and didn't play well with others. Skeu probably had little to do with it (imho).
  - dclowd9901 13y ago
    Way way off topic, but: Can we cut the IMHO shit? Why do we have to qualify every opinionated statement as opinionated? If some mouth breather doesn't understand that what you wrote is your own opinion that's on them not you.
    - danneu 13y ago
      I think it's just used to mitigate the edge of an assertion. Or make it seem more like a declaration than some point you're willing to vehemently defend. In other words, imho I don't think it really means *beep* *boop* entering opinion mode
      - chongli 13y ago
        This is something I despise about our culture. I see this everywhere and not just with imho. People tack on qualifiers all over the place in order to give a hint to the reader that they are expressing an opinion. I wish people would just give each other a break and that people would not be so insecure about appearing to be wrong in an argument. People make baseless assertions and throw around absolutes all the time. It's not the end of the world when an absolute is inaccurately applied to a relative quantity or quality!
        collyw 13y ago
        I think an IHMO is far better than the kind of crap creationists come out with. Its usually opinion they are regurgitating, and they talk of it as if it is fact.
      - dclowd9901 13y ago
        If one isn't strongly opinionated, why are they weighing in? The way you describe it, it seems like a cop out: "here's my baseless opinion that I'm using to drum up really important internet points, but don't skewer me! I'm just a humble baby!"
chc 13y ago
People on the Mac side of the fence have been complaining about the influence of Forstall's skeuomorphic designs for quite some time now.

Its interesting how Scott Forstall has become the goto name to sully in many of these articles. He pretty much pioneered iOS but one redesign later he's nothing in the shadow of Ive.

kennywinker 13y ago

The only mention of Forstall in the review is on the first page. > But that was all before last year's ouster of Scott Forstall, senior vice president of iOS Software. By all accounts, Forstall was one of the driving forces behind the iOS aesthetic that Lion and Mountain Lion so enthusiastically embraced. Jony Ive's iOS 7 strikes off in a bold new direction based on a philosophy that Apple is eager to generalize to the company as a whole—leaving OS X holding the stitched-leather bag. Not exactly sullying his name. There has been a design shift, it's fairly striking, at least on the surface, and it seems to be tightly coupled with a changing of the guard. The story that will go down in history is Scott Forstall was the skeu guy, and he got the boot so Ive could flat-iron everything. We don't know if it's true, but unless Apple tells us otherwise, it fits the data we have better than most things.

MaysonL 13y ago
Actually, Forstall will most likely go down as leaving because he was power-hungry and didn't play well with others. Skeu probably had little to do with it (imho).
- dclowd9901 13y ago
  Way way off topic, but: Can we cut the IMHO shit? Why do we have to qualify every opinionated statement as opinionated? If some mouth breather doesn't understand that what you wrote is your own opinion that's on them not you.
  - danneu 13y ago
    I think it's just used to mitigate the edge of an assertion. Or make it seem more like a declaration than some point you're willing to vehemently defend. In other words, imho I don't think it really means *beep* *boop* entering opinion mode
    - chongli 13y ago
      This is something I despise about our culture. I see this everywhere and not just with imho. People tack on qualifiers all over the place in order to give a hint to the reader that they are expressing an opinion. I wish people would just give each other a break and that people would not be so insecure about appearing to be wrong in an argument. People make baseless assertions and throw around absolutes all the time. It's not the end of the world when an absolute is inaccurately applied to a relative quantity or quality!
      - collyw 13y ago
        I think an IHMO is far better than the kind of crap creationists come out with. Its usually opinion they are regurgitating, and they talk of it as if it is fact.
    - dclowd9901 13y ago
      If one isn't strongly opinionated, why are they weighing in? The way you describe it, it seems like a cop out: "here's my baseless opinion that I'm using to drum up really important internet points, but don't skewer me! I'm just a humble baby!"

chc 13y ago

People on the Mac side of the fence have been complaining about the influence of Forstall's skeuomorphic designs for quite some time now.