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I need to be upfront with my bias, I hate everything Apple. I also built and ran my own digital studio (Not Pro Tools). This lack of expandability for the Mac

by baldfat 13y ago

I need to be upfront with my bias, I hate everything Apple. I also built and ran my own digital studio (Not Pro Tools). This lack of expandability for the Mac Pro is like the criticisms of the Chinese worker conditions, not Apple's fault. 1) This is industry wide, look at Intel with the soldered cpu in the next generation. 2) This is what Apple users want, a simple "just works" for most. 3) Any production Machine has a million things connected to it. So the fact that you have to plug in a million wires into the thing is a mute point. This is cheaper than I thought it would be. I still think anyone basing their video or audio off of Apple is insane since they have continued to show that they are more than willing to put pro users on the back burner for what 3 years and need I tell you the Final Cut Pro fiasco?

sp332 13y ago
"Most users" will buy iMacs. Mac Pros are for power users who have tons of hard drives and need 12 Intel cores.
vehementi 13y ago
> 1) This is industry wide, look at Intel with the soldered cpu in the next generation. Your flagship point is not really comparable. That whole story was overblown when initially posted and on further inspection makes perfect sense as more things move off the motherboard onto either the CPU or other modules anyway.
dannowatts 13y ago
2) This is what Apple users want, a simple "just works" for most. agreed. and it's one of the main reasons that I moved toward an exclusively apple-based workflow over the past 10 years. -- 3) Any production Machine has a million things connected to it. So the fact that you have to plug >in a million wires into the thing is a mute point. completely agree as well. most people plug a bunch of shit in, so complaining that they are going to have plug shit in and that will 'ugly' or 'clutter' it up, is definitely a moot point. -- This is cheaper than I thought it would be. i was a bit surprised as well. pleasantly! i was thinking starting price would be $3499, or even $3799. i still have my 2009 mac pro that i'm contemplating replacing with the new mac pro in december. -- I still think anyone basing their video or audio off of Apple is insane since they have continued to show that they are more than willing to put pro users on the back burner for what 3 years and need I tell you the Final Cut Pro fiasco? I love apple hardware and software, but i don't rely on their professional software. Before FCPX issues, i was running Final Cut 7 and Lightroom. Never really liked aperture (for a whole hosts of reasons) so that wasn't an issue. But once FCPX came out I switched to a mixture of Resolve and Premiere/AE. i actually see this HUGE update to the Mac Pro as showing professionals how they don't want us to be on the back burner anymore.
300bps 13y ago
So the fact that you have to plug in a million wires into the thing is a mute point. It's not only moot, we are also past the Statue of Limitations to be able to talk about this.
- nitrogen 13y ago
  ...Statue of Limitations... Was that a deliberate omission of the "t" to reference another eggcorn, or an example of Muphry's Law?
  - 300bps 13y ago
    I guess it is not quite as funny as I intended if I have to explain it.
  - uptown 13y ago
    Muphry's huh?
    - nitrogen 13y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
      - uptown 13y ago
        Never knew. Thanks.
deelowe 13y ago
Intel is moving towards soldered CPUs due to the issues with signal integrity and pin counts. I'm sure they would prefer for people to have the ability to upgrade CPUs. This shouldn't come as a surprise to those of us who witnessed the previous fiasco with moving the pins off the chip and onto the motherboard. This was also spun as some evil Intel conspiracy, but was due to the same reasons. It is becoming an industry wide issue, because of the exact same reasons. Density can only go up so much until you start having to remove traces and integrate components. Then again, these were the exact same complaints that circled when ICs came out.
- makomk 13y ago
  Not really. Remember that Intel makes money from motherboard chipsets too. Recently, they've even been releasing microcode updates that retroactively disable CPU features that users have paid for unless they're using a more expensive chipset that officially supports them. There's no technical reason for it (and the chipsets are basically identical but with different features fused off for market segmentation reasons anyway).
  - deelowe 13y ago
    Actually, yes really. I work in the industry. This move is due to issues with SI, thermal, and chip pin counts.
Someone 13y ago
"Any production Machine has a million things connected to it. So the fact that you have to plug in a million wires into the thing is a mute point." Is it? Given the choice between a decent looking truck and a pricier station wagon, where you will always have to add a trailer to the station wagon to make the stuff you need fit in it, I think people can rightfully state that the station wagon looks better only in theory.

by baldfat 13y ago

sp332 13y ago

"Most users" will buy iMacs. Mac Pros are for power users who have tons of hard drives and need 12 Intel cores.

vehementi 13y ago

> 1) This is industry wide, look at Intel with the soldered cpu in the next generation. Your flagship point is not really comparable. That whole story was overblown when initially posted and on further inspection makes perfect sense as more things move off the motherboard onto either the CPU or other modules anyway.

dannowatts 13y ago

2) This is what Apple users want, a simple "just works" for most. agreed. and it's one of the main reasons that I moved toward an exclusively apple-based workflow over the past 10 years. -- 3) Any production Machine has a million things connected to it. So the fact that you have to plug >in a million wires into the thing is a mute point. completely agree as well. most people plug a bunch of shit in, so complaining that they are going to have plug shit in and that will 'ugly' or 'clutter' it up, is definitely a moot point. -- This is cheaper than I thought it would be. i was a bit surprised as well. pleasantly! i was thinking starting price would be $3499, or even $3799. i still have my 2009 mac pro that i'm contemplating replacing with the new mac pro in december. -- I still think anyone basing their video or audio off of Apple is insane since they have continued to show that they are more than willing to put pro users on the back burner for what 3 years and need I tell you the Final Cut Pro fiasco? I love apple hardware and software, but i don't rely on their professional software. Before FCPX issues, i was running Final Cut 7 and Lightroom. Never really liked aperture (for a whole hosts of reasons) so that wasn't an issue. But once FCPX came out I switched to a mixture of Resolve and Premiere/AE. i actually see this HUGE update to the Mac Pro as showing professionals how they don't want us to be on the back burner anymore.

300bps 13y ago

So the fact that you have to plug in a million wires into the thing is a mute point. It's not only moot, we are also past the Statue of Limitations to be able to talk about this.

nitrogen 13y ago
...Statue of Limitations... Was that a deliberate omission of the "t" to reference another eggcorn, or an example of Muphry's Law?
- 300bps 13y ago
  I guess it is not quite as funny as I intended if I have to explain it.
- uptown 13y ago
  Muphry's huh?
  - nitrogen 13y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
    - uptown 13y ago
      Never knew. Thanks.

deelowe 13y ago

Intel is moving towards soldered CPUs due to the issues with signal integrity and pin counts. I'm sure they would prefer for people to have the ability to upgrade CPUs. This shouldn't come as a surprise to those of us who witnessed the previous fiasco with moving the pins off the chip and onto the motherboard. This was also spun as some evil Intel conspiracy, but was due to the same reasons. It is becoming an industry wide issue, because of the exact same reasons. Density can only go up so much until you start having to remove traces and integrate components. Then again, these were the exact same complaints that circled when ICs came out.

makomk 13y ago
Not really. Remember that Intel makes money from motherboard chipsets too. Recently, they've even been releasing microcode updates that retroactively disable CPU features that users have paid for unless they're using a more expensive chipset that officially supports them. There's no technical reason for it (and the chipsets are basically identical but with different features fused off for market segmentation reasons anyway).
- deelowe 13y ago
  Actually, yes really. I work in the industry. This move is due to issues with SI, thermal, and chip pin counts.

Someone 13y ago

"Any production Machine has a million things connected to it. So the fact that you have to plug in a million wires into the thing is a mute point." Is it? Given the choice between a decent looking truck and a pricier station wagon, where you will always have to add a trailer to the station wagon to make the stuff you need fit in it, I think people can rightfully state that the station wagon looks better only in theory.