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You obviously don't understand my comment at all. If Wikipedia has proof then there isn't any longer "a particular position", but a fact that can and should be

by Ma8ee 13y ago

You obviously don't understand my comment at all. If Wikipedia has proof then there isn't any longer "a particular position", but a fact that can and should be stated. Wikipedia writes "Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 – November 24, 1963) was, according to four government investigations,[citation needed][n 1] the sniper who assassinated John F. Kennedy". Note the "according to" and "citation needed". But it also writes "On November 24, 1963, Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald". No "according to" and no citations.

chris_wot 13y ago
As the gentleman who actually invented [citation needed], I think I need to also quote a very old (and now underused!) template - {{sofixit}} !! Just because there is a non-neutral position doesn't mean that it shouldn't be altered.
- mkopinsky 13y ago
  > As the gentleman who actually invented [citation needed] Is there a story here?
  - chris_wot 13y ago
    Sure, not terribly interesting, but I got sick of people adding random "facts" without a source so I decided to use a reverse footnoting system to highlight it. Normally you add a citation footnote to clearly show where you got your fact or idea, mine was the opposite - it showed clearly that there was no citation so use the information at your own peril! I also did it to force the editors to get sources and not just make stuff up. There was also often an issue where the fact was good, but was extraordinary and needed a source to back it up. The tag allowed the good info to stay until a source could be found. Unfortunately, sometimes bad info stays too long but it has the tag so at the very least you know that something is potentially fishy. It was basically more wildly successful than I ever imagined. I really had no idea I was creating an important bit of Internet popular culture - I was just trying to make Wikipedia more reliable!
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      Oh, just to clarify, the foot noting ref system came after {{fact}}.

by Ma8ee 13y ago

chris_wot 13y ago

As the gentleman who actually invented [citation needed], I think I need to also quote a very old (and now underused!) template - {{sofixit}} !! Just because there is a non-neutral position doesn't mean that it shouldn't be altered.

mkopinsky 13y ago
> As the gentleman who actually invented [citation needed] Is there a story here?
- chris_wot 13y ago
  Sure, not terribly interesting, but I got sick of people adding random "facts" without a source so I decided to use a reverse footnoting system to highlight it. Normally you add a citation footnote to clearly show where you got your fact or idea, mine was the opposite - it showed clearly that there was no citation so use the information at your own peril! I also did it to force the editors to get sources and not just make stuff up. There was also often an issue where the fact was good, but was extraordinary and needed a source to back it up. The tag allowed the good info to stay until a source could be found. Unfortunately, sometimes bad info stays too long but it has the tag so at the very least you know that something is potentially fishy. It was basically more wildly successful than I ever imagined. I really had no idea I was creating an important bit of Internet popular culture - I was just trying to make Wikipedia more reliable!
  - chris_wot 13y ago
    Oh, just to clarify, the foot noting ref system came after {{fact}}.