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Depends on where you are in the world. Java is required for online banking in Norway, while it's mostly unused in Sweden, the neighbouring country. Both use Jav

by emil0r 13y ago

Depends on where you are in the world. Java is required for online banking in Norway, while it's mostly unused in Sweden, the neighbouring country. Both use Java for online verification to government sites.

belorn 13y ago
> Both use Java for online verification to government sites. Do they? I thought Sweden used the online bank identity system for verification (bankid), which is either a standalone downloadable application, a smartcard image, or an mobile app. Not sure how an Firefox policy would effect this even if some parts of the bankid uses Java.
- emil0r 13y ago
  Bankid is based on java iirc.
integricho 13y ago
and they should definitely stop doing that. for me seeing Java on the client side is a sign of bad development.
- calibwam 13y ago
  They will. It was announced earlier this year that the Norwegian banks will move over to a HTML5/js authentication. The government identification has been the same as the banks, so that too will disappear.
- josteink 13y ago
  Seeing browser-developers ignore the real world and just go ahead with their agendas unconcerned about how it affects the actual users of their browser is also a sign of bad development.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    Banks in some countries having their heads in the sand for 15 years is not a reason to continue endangering the global economy. It's time for Norway to pull itself out of the dark ages.
  - marvin 13y ago
    You have to stop and think for a moment, though - it's kind of cool that the Firefox development team can basically say "Norwegian authorities - you need to ditch your $100 million outdated software solution because it is unsafe, and we are going to announce this to all your users".
    - Silhouette 13y ago
      Not so cool if you're a Norwegian taxpayer, one suspects.
      - unhammer 13y ago
        As a Norwegian taxpayer, I disagree :-) I don't know a single Norwegian who actually enjoys having to update Java again (and anyone who's turned on the news in the last 3 years here has heard of Java security holes). (And if this really is just a click-to-play type inconvenience, well, that's a hell of a lot less than the hoops that users are used to going through in order to get into their BankID banks here.)
- PakG1 13y ago
  Governments and banks. They are not exactly known for hiring the best and implementing best practices, regardless of what you think of Java on the client side. Exhibit A: healthcare.gov

by emil0r 13y ago

belorn 13y ago

> Both use Java for online verification to government sites. Do they? I thought Sweden used the online bank identity system for verification (bankid), which is either a standalone downloadable application, a smartcard image, or an mobile app. Not sure how an Firefox policy would effect this even if some parts of the bankid uses Java.

emil0r 13y ago
Bankid is based on java iirc.

integricho 13y ago

and they should definitely stop doing that. for me seeing Java on the client side is a sign of bad development.

calibwam 13y ago
They will. It was announced earlier this year that the Norwegian banks will move over to a HTML5/js authentication. The government identification has been the same as the banks, so that too will disappear.
josteink 13y ago
Seeing browser-developers ignore the real world and just go ahead with their agendas unconcerned about how it affects the actual users of their browser is also a sign of bad development.
- nknighthb 13y ago
  Banks in some countries having their heads in the sand for 15 years is not a reason to continue endangering the global economy. It's time for Norway to pull itself out of the dark ages.
- marvin 13y ago
  You have to stop and think for a moment, though - it's kind of cool that the Firefox development team can basically say "Norwegian authorities - you need to ditch your $100 million outdated software solution because it is unsafe, and we are going to announce this to all your users".
  - Silhouette 13y ago
    Not so cool if you're a Norwegian taxpayer, one suspects.
    - unhammer 13y ago
      As a Norwegian taxpayer, I disagree :-) I don't know a single Norwegian who actually enjoys having to update Java again (and anyone who's turned on the news in the last 3 years here has heard of Java security holes). (And if this really is just a click-to-play type inconvenience, well, that's a hell of a lot less than the hoops that users are used to going through in order to get into their BankID banks here.)
PakG1 13y ago
Governments and banks. They are not exactly known for hiring the best and implementing best practices, regardless of what you think of Java on the client side. Exhibit A: healthcare.gov