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Why? Java applets are extremely rare these days.

acqq 13y ago
If you're 20-something doing "the startup game" you probably don't see it on the next cool site demos. If you support the company where most of the users just know to click and login, and one day they just can't, you aren't going to like it, to quote one of the post from the bugzilla: "I haven't been able to get VPN-ed in for days, until I figured I could still use the Juniper SSL VPN from Internet Explorer. I find it amazing the casualness with which a small group of developers just shut off an entire set of functionality with no regard for its size, utility... You just broke millions of peoples software, and then you complain about this being a bug list, and you can simply do this, or simply do that." It doesn't help that "advanced users" would know, ordinary users after the automatic update can't do what they were able to do.
- cubsink 13y ago
  Well, the reality goes forward and the customers that doesn't know how to fix this will probably be mad at the vendor for good reasons. They still use old, crappy software and it'time for an update since it will no longer work in modern browsers.
- munimkazia 13y ago
  I think they should have just made their click-to-play UI a bit more obvious and easy to understand. It would have stopped a lot of these complaints.
- InclinedPlane 13y ago
  This has to be balanced against the extreme risk of turning on java for every site out there. A few users are inconvenienced. That few being the intersection of those who rely on java applets for something they care about (already a tiny fraction) and those who lack the knowledge to solve the problem on their own (an even smaller fraction). Even losing that fraction of users is unlikely to affect firefox's marketshare to any significant degree. In the context of a company's IT department, they should be competent enough to know how to set default browser configurations and to provide walk-through documentation. If an IT department thinks that user convenience is a good enough excuse to expose the company's employees to some of the most serious and hard to prevent web-based exploits out there then I say fuck 'em. They have their priorities all wrong and if they want to continue to have their priorities all wrong then they are welcome to their own private hell.
dingaling 13y ago
> Java applets are extremely rare these days. Yes, but unfortunately when they do occur they tend to be rather important; Eurocontrol's air-traffic flow management site, for example. If you need to file or change a flight-plan...

acqq 13y ago

If you're 20-something doing "the startup game" you probably don't see it on the next cool site demos. If you support the company where most of the users just know to click and login, and one day they just can't, you aren't going to like it, to quote one of the post from the bugzilla: "I haven't been able to get VPN-ed in for days, until I figured I could still use the Juniper SSL VPN from Internet Explorer. I find it amazing the casualness with which a small group of developers just shut off an entire set of functionality with no regard for its size, utility... You just broke millions of peoples software, and then you complain about this being a bug list, and you can simply do this, or simply do that." It doesn't help that "advanced users" would know, ordinary users after the automatic update can't do what they were able to do.

cubsink 13y ago
Well, the reality goes forward and the customers that doesn't know how to fix this will probably be mad at the vendor for good reasons. They still use old, crappy software and it'time for an update since it will no longer work in modern browsers.
munimkazia 13y ago
I think they should have just made their click-to-play UI a bit more obvious and easy to understand. It would have stopped a lot of these complaints.
InclinedPlane 13y ago
This has to be balanced against the extreme risk of turning on java for every site out there. A few users are inconvenienced. That few being the intersection of those who rely on java applets for something they care about (already a tiny fraction) and those who lack the knowledge to solve the problem on their own (an even smaller fraction). Even losing that fraction of users is unlikely to affect firefox's marketshare to any significant degree. In the context of a company's IT department, they should be competent enough to know how to set default browser configurations and to provide walk-through documentation. If an IT department thinks that user convenience is a good enough excuse to expose the company's employees to some of the most serious and hard to prevent web-based exploits out there then I say fuck 'em. They have their priorities all wrong and if they want to continue to have their priorities all wrong then they are welcome to their own private hell.

dingaling 13y ago

> Java applets are extremely rare these days. Yes, but unfortunately when they do occur they tend to be rather important; Eurocontrol's air-traffic flow management site, for example. If you need to file or change a flight-plan...